3vs1 - Taking the offensive

[The oOo]

With my dex PvP'er 98% complete, and a new, untested keys setup I've been out looking for a bit of action...just to get back in the swing of things...no pun intended

I'm concerned enough as it is about my survivability 1v1, figuring I'm in for a couple quick deaths before I get things settled in, but to my surprise the first encounter went a bit differently than expected...though the end results did not disappoint hehehe

But it left me wondering about a few things...

Rather than the 1 Red I was looking for, 3 blues jumped me 2 levels down and the fight was on. I'm not one to recall...even against these odds so I headed for the exit, and open terrain to get some more maneuvering room...first problem...mount stam'd by the time I got out [no macro...1st lesson!] So it was a pretty hairy brawl for a while before I got a refresh off and again headed for more open terrain nearby...between the trees, 3 guys and their walls, if I stayed I knew I was going down. I was just too busy maintaining health & dodging stuff to take the offensive.

Again, by the time I got where I wanted to be, with them right on my ass my mount stam'd again [got this solved...not the question here] but I was now on clear ground with plenty of room to bob & weave and I was able to start fighting back finally...but again, I was so damn busy maintaining health that going offensive was not really an option though I did finally get some licks in and get them dodging me occsionally but by then, not expecting a 10min battle and riding a stam'd out mount I ran out of pots and shortly after that it was over...

There were a few things I could've done to keep fighting [Gheal wand/macro never got used] but it would've just prolonged the inevitable...outside of recalling.

My question is;

What is the likelyhood of actually being able to take the offensive in a 3v1 situation? Normally I probably would've recalled [I could've several times] given the odds...but I did need to work the new keys so...I stayed.

It just seems like with 3 guys on you, the chances of winning are pretty damn slim...but I bet it's possible...given enough supplies heheheh

Thoughts from you GM PvP'ers? [fyi...they weren't very good, hence why I lived so long...not any skill I had lol]

Sorry about the wall of text...

[Jay]

purple pots, earthquakes? It's gonna be hard on a dexer.

[The oOo]

purple pots, earthquakes? It's gonna be hard on a dexer.

Purple pots!! jeez...yea...forgot all about them and wasn't carrying any [sitting at home lol]...

Thanks Jay!

*grabs some bottles...*

edit: no wrestle/mana...no earthquakes [magery is accessory on this dexxer]

[Menkaure]

In all honesty, as a dexxer, outside of town, vs 3 guys, your going to lose unless they are complete newbies. As a Mage, you have a small shot at least. I've won a couple 2v1s and 3v1s on my dexxer in town (very few) but outside of town I dot have a prayer against those numbers. Also, your going to want to stock up on all potions (I carry a ton) on my dexxer I probably carry 50 pots (he's a poisoner/alchemist too so that helps) but honestly if you have to fight more than 2 guys just recall. People complain about reds ganking but I solo pk on my Mage pk, and there's always a bunch of guys who calls in 2 or 3 guild mates when I engage on them, and if they do, I recall, not cause I'm a pussy, but because why fight a battle I just can't win? 2v1s I will try to stay and fight but when they start spamming paralyze, its just stupid. Which brings me to my next point, carry a fuck ton of pouches an make an open pouch macro hot key on razor. As a dexxer your going to need a ton. Lastly, play smart, if you are fighting someone more skilled then you, try to use the terrain and environment to your advantage, run him into the blood ele or dragon and put an invis item on so it attacks him. Read matrons guide about running through the forest and how to get away properly, and for Gods sake, always always always remember to have a horse stam macro. Lastly for us poor people we dont have a lot of great items, so don't be afraid to buy poisoned items. Or even make a poisoner with 50poisoning and 50 alchemy an just use lesser poison on your blade, even tho its weak poison it still prevents the enemy from healing with bandys until he's cured and it will still cause a Mage to cast cure and waste mana and cast something other then an offensive spell or gheal. If you have archery, although mostly useless, it can open up with a nice shot, and if a fight vs a Mage is lasting a while you can sit back and shoot while he para ganks you and he will have to spend mana on healing after every shot (use regular bows for this, xbows for opening shots). Purple pots are your friend and so are agi and str pots. You can swing super fast with 120 dex. Life's hard as a dexxer vs a Mage or vs multiple opponents. You must make your environment and your resources work to your benefit.

PS
If you have hiding don't be afraid to bandage and them run around a corner and hide while you wait for the bandage to heal

Excuse typos this is from my auto correct stupid phone

[farnk]

I just died fighting n-s 1vs5. Barely. I had some guy I think his name was Merlin down to 8%, chasing him with a pot until mare fatigued, he offscreened, pot hits me and I heal through their first wave of spells while mounting and then finally died. 5v1...now this is my first real encounter with that guild but holy shit they are the prime example of bad players. With that being said;


Farnk r still champ.


Discuss.

[[Uhh] Eo]

You died to N-S?

ROFL!

[farnk]

You died to N-S?

ROFL!

Lol I know. Like I said I was remounting and stayed on screen and took a 4 man drop (merlin was running for his life) still...its a sad moment in my wizard career lol

[RoadKill]

1v1 = No problem if you are experienced and well stocked.

1v2 = Can be difficult. If both opponents are cookiecutter tanks and actually pay attention, it's hard to take one of them down due to how over powered Greater Heal can be (50pts healed and fast to cast.) It's not impossible, I've done it many times on a Nox Fencer, on a Macer/Med warrior, and on a Swords/Archery warrior.

1v3 = Really hard. Not impossible, but don't count on it. If you have a chance to flee or recall, there's no shame in leaving a 1v3 fight. It would take some real idiots or unsuspecting people to lose in a 1v3.


Now, if the "1v2" or the "1v3" are against people who are not actually working as a team, and are just targeting you, that makes it a LOT easier. I have won 1v5s when going grey in town on a Macer/Hider just by juggling aggressors and keeping the 2 minute combat timer going on multiple people at a time.

[The oOo]

Well...I guess I'ma have to keep my pride in check under certain circumstances hehehe

I'd rather take a dirt nap after a good fight than simply recall but if it's pointless to stay...live to fight another day...but if you guys come across some nutter who stays when he should've recalled...you'll know it's me...and why

or maybe it's about not giving them the satisfaction...hmm...I could live with that

From the replies here it sounds like I did most everything 'right'...but the things I did wrong were likely the things that got me killed, regardless of how much I got 'right'

I've read all the guides, watched a lot of vids...escape, pvp, gear, etc and the two things that stick out as fatal mistakes [outside of not recalling, but I was testing new keys]

Supplies...everything I've read about supplies & PvP is 'go big or go home'...my PvM mentality had me in the 'take only what you're ok with losing' mode...does not apply to PvP obviously and I disregarded that...given an indefinite amount of supplies I doubt I ever would have died...not that I'm good...they just weren't coordinating.

Mount Macro...my mount being stam'd out was THE overriding factor controlling any strategy I tried to use...I just couldn't get away from them for any amount of time, constantly forcing me to a defensive stance and using up my limited supplies...

Sorry...just musiing over the comments here...all things considered, against 3 experienced & coordinated PK's I wouldn't have made it out of the dungeon.

After the fight I watched one of them pop the ONE para pouch I always kept on me for PvM para's...[you have lots of time to re-trap PvM so I only carried one]...not once did they para me, if they had well...they cast a lot of wall of stone at one point, easy to dodge even stam'd out...and the only pots they got were cures because they only poisoned me once...again, if they had...I did have a full set...str,agi, heal, cure & ref. except expl...but only 10/ea and I'd used a couple fighting critters while waiting for someone to show up.

All in all it was a damned good test run...moreso then I had expected

Oh yea!! a burning question I've had for a while now....fishsteaks wtf?

are they eaten as a small refresh between pot timers? Sort of a backup?

Thanks guys!

[Menkaure]

Well...I guess I'ma have to keep my pride in check under certain circumstances hehehe

I'd rather take a dirt nap after a good fight than simply recall but if it's pointless to stay...live to fight another day...but if you guys come across some nutter who stays when he should've recalled...you'll know it's me...and why

or maybe it's about not giving them the satisfaction...hmm...I could live with that

From the replies here it sounds like I did most everything 'right'...but the things I did wrong were likely the things that got me killed, regardless of how much I got 'right'

I've read all the guides, watched a lot of vids...escape, pvp, gear, etc and the two things that stick out as fatal mistakes [outside of not recalling, but I was testing new keys]

Supplies...everything I've read about supplies & PvP is 'go big or go home'...my PvM mentality had me in the 'take only what you're ok with losing' mode...does not apply to PvP obviously and I disregarded that...given an indefinite amount of supplies I doubt I ever would have died...not that I'm good...they just weren't coordinating.

Mount Macro...my mount being stam'd out was THE overriding factor controlling any strategy I tried to use...I just couldn't get away from them for any amount of time, constantly forcing me to a defensive stance and using up my limited supplies...

Sorry...just musiing over the comments here...all things considered, against 3 experienced & coordinated PK's I wouldn't have made it out of the dungeon.

After the fight I watched one of them pop the ONE para pouch I always kept on me for PvM para's...[you have lots of time to re-trap PvM so I only carried one]...not once did they para me, if they had well...they cast a lot of wall of stone at one point, easy to dodge even stam'd out...and the only pots they got were cures because they only poisoned me once...again, if they had...I did have a full set...str,agi, heal, cure & ref. except expl...but only 10/ea and I'd used a couple fighting critters while waiting for someone to show up.

All in all it was a damned good test run...moreso then I had expected

Oh yea!! a burning question I've had for a while now....fishsteaks wtf?

are they eaten as a small refresh between pot timers? Sort of a backup?

Thanks guys!

Well, yes, you can eat the fishsteaks to regain stamina obviously, and it is nice to not have to waste a pot. But, someone said in another thread, the only true use of being full from eating is health regen and healing stam.
I still to this day even though I have been proved wrong many times, think eating has something to do with skill gain, hit percentage, and cast success rate. But, thats just the old 1997 Conspiracy OSI UO'er in me.
Also, always carry a shit ton of red pots man, you will run out of stam like crazy and to fight well you need full stam because lets say if your 100 dex, and you lost 50 stamrunning around, you are now down to 50dex, so always drink a stam pot.

[Ohm]

Fishsteaks fill you up too quickly IMO.

I like apples

[Menkaure]

Fishsteaks fill you up too quickly IMO.

I like apples

Apples do work better but who wants to waste time n buy apples when the entire world has fish steaks for super cheap