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best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:43 pm
by dubbie_and_F.a.T.
whats the best weapons to use for pvm and pvp ... mace, archery, swords or fencing? does mace drains stamina of the oponent?

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:51 pm
by Ragancy
Swords:
Hally, katana, broadsword

Macing:
Q-staff, war axe

Fencing:
War fork, kryss, long spear, short spear (basically all fencing weapons are useful)

For PVM doesn't matter as much - I would say broadswords are best because power+ broadswords are effective and cheap.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:56 pm
by Grifty McGrift
^^
That analysis is pretty good, but the rest of the weapon types are good for PVP also as long as they have thunder or deamons breath charges. They add quite a bit of damage.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:00 pm
by MatronDeWinter
You should basically always use swords. Maces are lame, and do low damage for pvm. For PvP, the stamina-drain effect is pointless because everyone will have a keg of total refreshes, or recall if they don't. The Q staff is "okay", but it's 2 handed, meh.

Fencing is just all around lame. No point in doing it basically ever. The kryss is only marginally worse than the katana, but it's also just as pricey. The two spears are decent, but nowhere on par with the swords weapons. The war fork is just about only good vs dexers in heavy armor (of which there are very few, and if you do encounter one, you can make up the deficit using swords because of the cheap magics and the fact that most players are idiots and don't have the proper supplies to fight).

Swords has the hardest hitter (hally), the fastest (katana) reasonably damaging weapon, and broadswords which are decent and super cheap as a balron always drops a magical one. You should always do swords, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

So, the answer to both of your questions is "Swords".

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:09 pm
by Ragancy
MatronDeWinter wrote: Fencing is just all around lame. No point in doing it basically ever. The kryss is only marginally worse than the katana, but it's also just as pricey. The two spears are decent, but nowhere on par with the swords weapons. The war fork is just about only good vs dexers in heavy armor (of which there are very few, and if you do encounter one, you can make up the deficit using swords because of the cheap magics and the fact that most players are idiots and don't have the proper supplies to fight).
I seem to recall a test where the short spear ended up doing the most damage over time of any weapon. I think this was against no AR. I believe this test was from our era but I'm not 100% sure if that's how it is on this server.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:46 pm
by Tom
MatronDeWinter wrote:You should basically always use swords. Maces are lame, and do low damage for pvm. For PvP, the stamina-drain effect is pointless because everyone will have a keg of total refreshes, or recall if they don't. The Q staff is "okay", but it's 2 handed, meh.

Fencing is just all around lame. No point in doing it basically ever. The kryss is only marginally worse than the katana, but it's also just as pricey. The two spears are decent, but nowhere on par with the swords weapons. The war fork is just about only good vs dexers in heavy armor (of which there are very few, and if you do encounter one, you can make up the deficit using swords because of the cheap magics and the fact that most players are idiots and don't have the proper supplies to fight).

Swords has the hardest hitter (hally), the fastest (katana) reasonably damaging weapon, and broadswords which are decent and super cheap as a balron always drops a magical one. You should always do swords, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

So, the answer to both of your questions is "Swords".
So if I was running a Dexxer with a group you would you still recommend Swords over Macing?

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:56 pm
by Ragancy
Tom wrote:So if I was running a Dexxer with a group you would you still recommend Swords over Macing?
In group swords is king. It has fastest weap and biggest hitter. In group fighting you would generally want to go with the Hally for huge burst damage.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:16 pm
by Malaikat
Ragancy wrote:
Tom wrote:So if I was running a Dexxer with a group you would you still recommend Swords over Macing?
In group swords is king. It has fastest weap and biggest hitter. In group fighting you would generally want to go with the Hally for huge burst damage.
Cycle it. Works best in goup fights or ganks. Basically any situation where you're not the target.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:40 pm
by Ulfrigg
Ragancy wrote:
MatronDeWinter wrote: Fencing is just all around lame. No point in doing it basically ever. The kryss is only marginally worse than the katana, but it's also just as pricey. The two spears are decent, but nowhere on par with the swords weapons. The war fork is just about only good vs dexers in heavy armor (of which there are very few, and if you do encounter one, you can make up the deficit using swords because of the cheap magics and the fact that most players are idiots and don't have the proper supplies to fight).
I seem to recall a test where the short spear ended up doing the most damage over time of any weapon. I think this was against no AR. I believe this test was from our era but I'm not 100% sure if that's how it is on this server.

I remeber short spears being the most used and effective against Mages and the War fork was best vs Warriors.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:36 am
by RoadKill
I do extremely well with these 2 templates:

100 Magery
100 Resist
100 Healing
100 Anatomy
100 Tactics
100 Macing
100 Hiding

OR

100 Magery
100 Resist
100 Healing
100 Anatomy
100 Tactics
100 Fencing
100 Poisoning

Stats as 100/90/35, 95/95/35, 100/85/40, etc.. really depends on how good you are.

Barely get killed, most fights end in my opponents recalling when they run out of cure or refresh pots. People on this shard are always going to recall, regardless to if I use swordsmanship or not, in fact macing at times can make it extremely hard for someone to recall just by stamina burn.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:17 am
by Malaikat
Throw more purple pots.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:26 am
by Abyz
Is that your answer for EVERYTHING!?!

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:35 am
by Malaikat
Name a situation that can't be improved by more explosions.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:22 am
by Halbu
Malaikat wrote:Name a situation that can't be improved by more explosions.
They are great for warriors all the time, but not mages.

People who spam explos on a mage instead of timing them with spells are morons. And yes I've met quite a few explo spammers, the only counter is to LOS it by running around a house or teleporting so it hits them instead. It never kills someone who knows what they're doing, too bad people have no clue how to time spells else they wouldn't need to pvp in such mediocre ways.

Re: best weapons - pvp and pvm

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:25 am
by archaicsubrosa77
Macing
Swords
Poisoning
Healing
Tactics 80
Anatomy 80
Resist
Magery 40

If you got a lot of magic items laying around :wink:
Cut back on your DP uses this way and be a complete resource sponge
40 mage just for reliable 4th/5th circle scroll use

Magic Reflection saves lives