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LOS Issue

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:23 pm
by DarkWing
Casting EV's inside of someones locked house has got to be a bug that needs to be fixed!

This is TOTALLY Unexceptable!

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:38 pm
by Kaivan
An actual report on how it's being done would be useful.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:43 pm
by DarkWing
Kaivan wrote:An actual report on how it's being done would be useful.
probably the same way they are targeting Chain Lightning etc ... using Razor to exploit the LOS changes

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:47 pm
by Kaivan
The LoS behavior only works with relative target, only works on houses with a stone foundation, and is easily reproducible. None of the known methods for casting work with a summon spell directly targeted into a house from outside.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:52 pm
by DarkWing
Kaivan wrote:The LoS behavior only works with relative target, only works on houses with a stone foundation, and is easily reproducible. None of the known methods for casting work with a summon spell directly targeted into a house from outside.
and using Target Relative Location to cast inside a secure building sounds Era Accurate to you?

we did not have RAZOR back during this Era! .. so this would Never have been possible!

I want my Secure houses to be Safe again!

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:54 pm
by Kaivan
Relative target is the easiest way to achieve it, but it can be done using other methods that don't require you to 'hack' anything, or use an illegal 3rd party program. However, this is not relevant to the report anyway. If you have them, specifics on how this is being achieved would be appreciated.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:22 pm
by Pirul
So, do we agree that the actual summoning of an EV or BS inside a house is a bug?

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:31 pm
by Zyler
Sounds like a bug to me or an exploit using Razor.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:01 pm
by mfred
this one has nothing to do with razor... last i heard (yesterday) the big bosses in the sky are looking into it but still claiming accuracy.

i'll not detail it here... but i'm sure telamon will swoop in at some point for karma points and detail the process ad nauseam.

from what i've seen not all house placements are affected by this new method... so don't sell your L-Shape just yet.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:24 pm
by Pirul
Kaivan wrote:However, despite that fact, there is an entirely separate piece of code that is checked when a blade spirit or energy vortex is cast which prevents you from successfully targeting inside a house, regardless of whether you have line of sight or not. This means that despite the behavior of the LOS code, and the fact that it allows you to target inside a house, it doesn't matter since you can't summon inside the house.
This sounds pretty definitive to me. You can't summon inside a house.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:43 pm
by mfred
Pirul wrote:
Kaivan wrote:However, despite that fact, there is an entirely separate piece of code that is checked when a blade spirit or energy vortex is cast which prevents you from successfully targeting inside a house, regardless of whether you have line of sight or not. This means that despite the behavior of the LOS code, and the fact that it allows you to target inside a house, it doesn't matter since you can't summon inside the house.
This sounds pretty definitive to me. You can't summon inside a house.
huh?
since when couldn't you summon inside/cast into a house (friended, owned or banned)?.... ignoring the LOS issue.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:37 pm
by Telamon
Not even bothering to post this new method. Rather not get banned anyway when it is determined to be NEA.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:59 am
by Mikel123
Telamon wrote:Not even bothering to post this new method. Rather not get banned anyway when it is determined to be NEA.
For the reference of anyone new here, it has been my experience that one should certainly detail any bugs found to Derrick and Kaivan, even if not posting them on the forums. I also haven't seen any instances of people getting banned for reporting bugs... ever.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:11 am
by Faust
mfred wrote: huh?
since when couldn't you summon inside/cast into a house (friended, owned or banned)?.... ignoring the LOS issue.
Summoning a bladespirit or energy vortex into a house was not possible during the second age. Surprised it has lasted this long on the shard in all honesty.

Re: LOS Issue

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:21 am
by Pirul
Mikel123 wrote:
Telamon wrote:Not even bothering to post this new method. Rather not get banned anyway when it is determined to be NEA.
For the reference of anyone new here, it has been my experience that one should certainly detail any bugs found to Derrick and Kaivan, even if not posting them on the forums. I also haven't seen any instances of people getting banned for reporting bugs... ever.
Der and Kaivan know full well how to do it.