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poison spell?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:08 am
by BlackLeaf
it seems that does lvl 2 poison on a crow as well as on an ancient wyrm (im at 100 magery),same for poison field.
i think there is something wrong here,should be able to inflict lvl3.i thought it was lvl 3 with no resist,and lvl 2 if succesful resisted,or something like that.as it is now is lvl 2 no matter what.also stratics speak about varying level of poison,and many post of the era talk about killing dragons with 2 applications.
please correct me if i am missing something.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:10 am
by Mikel123
You're missing links to the posts on Stratics.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:57 pm
by BlackLeaf
stratics page
if it has problems loading the correct page go to strategy-->essays and guides-->magic & alchemy-->lvl3 spells
Poison: Poisons target and drops HP. Varying potential.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:20 pm
by BlackLeaf
links to discussions:
link
I've been killing blood eles and dragons with the poison
spell for the last week
link
It looks like 50% of the spells, casted by monsters are the poison spells!
And they ar not just minor poisons, but the realy bad ones!
link
I killed a dragon by casting 2 poison spells. You can kill a corpser
with a single poison spell too
they are dated winter '99,i cant find something inbetween.but if nothing has changed i think this is what should be.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:51 pm
by Mikel123
I wonder if we're capping poison damage on NPCs?
Would make sense if poison was useful on high-HP monsters, too, since it's percentage-based.
Odd that all three of these posts come from Feb'99 though.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:30 am
by BlackLeaf
Odd that all three of these posts come from Feb'99 though.
indeed,but i have searched the patches archives from gen 99 to dec 99 and i havent found anything about a change in how poison spell works.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:11 am
by iamreallysquall
how do we know they didnt get posioned via a energy vortex or a blade spirit . i know the ev has a higher level poison i honestly dont remember poison the spell it self being that strong. i am also curious i remember poisoned weapons being nerfed i am not mistaken the ticks them selfs cant remember the specifics but maybe its related?
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:50 am
by BlackLeaf
how do we know they didnt get posioned via a energy vortex or a blade spirit
they explicitly refers to poison spell.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:52 am
by Sandro
It was not uncommon for a mage to occasionally cast a greater poison spell, but I am fairly certain it was scaled based on resist, and even at 0 resist it was a small chance to do so. I know that it was not until UO:R that you could deadly poison with the spell, and even then it was scaled based on distance from caster to target.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:07 pm
by iamreallysquall
BlackLeaf wrote:how do we know they didnt get posioned via a energy vortex or a blade spirit
they explicitly refers to poison spell.
point is i can say "hide skill" and mean "stealth skill" or "snooping" terms get mixed up i am not saying hes wrong nothing more nothing less.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:31 pm
by BlackLeaf
sure,i understand the point,but in the links i have posted i really cant see any ambiguity.
also look at this
link:the poisoning essay is dated 2 may 2000,that is last days before uor,but still t2a.in the article one can read:
Greater Poison is likely to be the best bet for an aspiring assassin to use on weapons and food. This poison damages approx. one part in sixteen of the victims remaining health per 10 second span, causing a minimum of seven points of damage in all cases. Within the course of 1 minute can add up to some serious damage. The mage spell of Poison or Poison Field is exactly as potent as this particular variety of potion. The poisoned victim will get the "You begin to feel pain throughout your body!" messages.
it seems clear to me that if not resisted the spell inflicts level 3.
lastly,concerning the date (too late or too soon),no patch mentions a change in the poison spell,therefore it should works like this.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:08 pm
by Mikel123
May 2000 is NOT T2A.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:58 am
by Faust
Was looking over the OSI code for the spell and it seems rather odd to me.
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if(Random(1-100) < Casters Magery Skill)
{
PoisonStrength = Level 2;
}
else
{
PoisonStrength = Level 4;
}
Based on the code(if it's being read correctly) there are only two poison levels used. Regular(level 2) and greater(level 4) poison. However, it just seems really weird and rather stupid that the chance of hitting greater poison(level 4) becomes significantly lower the higher your magery skill gets instead of vice versa. This of course does not include any possible changes to the spell in between the known code and the cutoff date if there were any.
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:57 am
by Sandro
level 4 is deadly poison btw
Re: poison spell?
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:02 pm
by Faust
Oops, what ^he^ said...
The only way the code might not seem weird is if the variable...
Q66X = getSkillLevel(user, 0x19);
That references the variable used in the randomized logic statement produces something other than the absolute value of the magery skill of the caster.
The final code would actually look something like this for ease of readability...
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CastersMagerySkill = getSkillLevel(caster, magery);
if(Random(1-100) < CastersMagerySkill)
{
PoisonStrength = Level 2;
}
else
{
PoisonStrength = Level 4;
}
The function that calls the getSkillLevel for the logic statement could possibly not be producing an absolute value of the magery skill even though it appears that way. There is a known variable called getSkillLevelReal but this could easily just be describing the 'show real' and 'non-show real' values of skills too. This would probably have to be further analyzed by Batlin or Derrick on a more technical level for a complete verification. There definitely appears to be a certain fact here based on what it looks like with in the code. Regular and Deadly(not Greater) poison is used for the spell.