Bard Question

[Kenny Powers]

I am making a bard/archer. I was wondering what would be of more use hiding or resist?

[Duke Jones]

oooh tough choice.

Both are REALLY important.

But if I had to choose, it would be resist. As a bard/archer. You will be needing to keep range. That being said, physical attacks matter little to you (apart from a few npc archer mobs), You're going to want resist magic, because thats the only thing that will hurt you in the realm of PvM

[Kenny Powers]

ya thats what i was thinking. the only reason i was thinking about hiding was to hide form pks.

[Duke Jones]

well, yeah but hiding is just one of many things you can do to avoid PKs.

Magic ALWAYS hurts, regardless.

[Kabal]

I dont have resist or wrestling on my bard, just magery/music/provo is enough to clear out a dungeon no problem, and if you have lockpicking on your bard/mage, you take all the gold that's even in a dungeon.

[JoshuaLee]

Yeah that's a good idea Kabal. I guess it just comes down to whatever you feel more comfortable with. If you want the most security against pks then your going to definitely want resist and wrestling.

Resist to help survive mana dumps, and wrestling to increase chance of your spells not being disrupted.

But if you are more worried about making gold faster and what not, than I would go along with Kabal's idea.

Also another thing hiding can be used for is to hide when barding monsters, so you can just sit and watch until they kill each other. But then again using the spell "Invisibility", is just as effective.

[Kabal]

With a bard/mage/lockpick, I am constantly running around barding stuff, casting EV's and picking locks. You make 10k in about 20 minutes of actual farming depending on the spawn, which is enough to where the occasional death really doesn't matter to much since the only thing he has on him is his nubee instrument and some regs, plus, you just always make sure to have reflect up, bank often, and recall instantly on sight of would be subterfuges.


Mage
meditation
eval
Music
Provo
Lockpicking
Hiding - but may change to carto once lockpicking is gm

[archaicsubrosa77]

Hide
stealth
music
provoke
mage
resist
med

this is a good temp if you want to sneak into tight areas or into places where you can provoke the best without running around with your head cut off. It gives you the time to access the situation and drag bars.

The bad thing is if you are cornered you are pretty much screwed,so having a few tables to keep the distance might be a good idea should you fail. That isn't fail safe either but it is a deterrent. Probably would be best to journey with others in case that does happen.

Remember you can cast invisible and go into stealth from there if things get too hairy.

[Kenny Powers]

im going to be a archer not a mage lol

[Kabal]

That might be rather unwise of you. Have eval as your weapon, other wise you have to use 2 skills for that (arch and tactics) Lets say you come up to a room with so many enemies you would never be able to fight/bard them all in time. What you do is pre-cast an EV or BS, run in, drop it real quick and run out, they all go to fight it, then you come in and start barding them while they are attacking the thing you casted, and while that's all going on, your running around picking locks, non-stop gold flow.

[archaicsubrosa77]

Archery is more often then not a secondary skill for dexxers. It gives them the ability to keep a high dex and utilize a distance attack.

For example my temp I am working on has this in mind.

Archery
Fencing
Wrestling 70 (for switching weapons and critical casting)
Tactics
Anatomy
Healing 90
Resist 90
magery 50

If you are insisting on making a dexxer bard I would suggest, but not telling you to choose a melee weapon type that will utilize your dexterity to its full potential. Yet most bards myself included will tell you that magery is a fast way to hunt as a provoker. I suggested hide and stealth to avoid detection from PKs...

I take my stealth mage out all the time and just cast summons in very dangerous high Pk areas and I make more money doing that then with a bard due to the fact no PK wants to run around aimlessly trying to find you risking being seen by others or drawing attention from the spawn as he hunts his target. The only time I ran into trouble was when there were three and at least one had tracking. But that was also when I was stationary and chatting in irc, in a lower end spawn area hidden.

Another reason why I said stealth provoker is that many bards fear PKs. They conserve their mana way too much and if they do try to speed it up with a summons, someone is already on their way to kill them at half mana. Provoke summon an EV run to where you can hide or cast invisible...reposition in stealth. Wait out for mana regen as the provoked creatures kill each other maybe the EV is out for a new target. Then loot when its safe and then back to stealth mode to find new victims.

Good hotkey spells would include paralyze, invisible, teleport, recall, greater heal

[Kenny Powers]

I will go with a malee sort of skill then. The only reason im not going magery is this is my second char the first one was for fun just a parry swordsmen not really for making money. So I don't have the cash for magery just yet. I was going to use this guy to make some money then start making my chars that will cost more money.

[Kabal]

just macro up lock picking for the price of about 1000 gold for a gm lock box and some lock picks, then use invisibility to get your magery to 92 which is enough to cast blades spirit and ev, then you will be able to make enough money to macro up magery all the way, I made my guy like that because I ran completely out of gold and had no way to make money, besides, arrows are just as expensive anyway right?

[zzyzx]

just macro up lock picking for the price of about 1000 gold for a gm lock box and some lock picks, then use invisibility to get your magery to 92 which is enough to cast blades spirit and ev, then you will be able to make enough money to macro up magery all the way, I made my guy like that because I ran completely out of gold and had no way to make money, besides, arrows are just as expensive anyway right?

Isn't there also a way to gain magery using just a single scroll to something like 80?

Or does that not work here?

[Kabal]

Isn't there also a way to gain magery using just a single scroll to something like 80?

Or does that not work here?

No idea, but hey, zzyzx, PM me and well do our warrior tourny fight today.