Shard opinion: Grandfathered blessed items

[Downs]

I would like to pause for a moment so we can remember all those who purchased charged pure black dye tubs with silver then got a free unlimited one on easter
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Okay, so we're compromising era accuracy why again? The argument of "I paid so much for this" may hold weight if the above didn't already happen on this shard imo.

If we went era accurate with blessed everything, it may upset some people, but I doubt they'd quit over it. How long would it take to break anyways?

[Panthor the Hated]

no compromise to accuracy at all

grandfathered items existed in era on osi too, it has happened here many time too.

[morganm]

I think it was a fair compromise for a no-win situation. Just look at all these threads; no matter what the ruling would have been... people would have raged.

[Ulfrigg]

I dont remeber items being grandfatherd on osi i do know they did it with those that had multiple houses since i myself had 5 on the same account. But i never saw a grandfatherd item on europe with special ability like indestructable there.

This just opened up a new scamm opertunity, bless sandals or a mask and then make a tread with pre patch blessed (insert object) earn 10x the gold for the item and when it breaks after say 1 or 2 years the buyer will know he got scammed.

[Panthor the Hated]

I dont remeber items being grandfatherd on osi i do know they did it with those that had multiple houses since i myself had 5 on the same account. But i never saw a grandfatherd item on europe with special ability like indestructable there.

This just opened up a new scamm opertunity, bless sandals or a mask and then make a tread with pre patch blessed (insert object) earn 10x the gold for the item and when it breaks after say 1 or 2 years the buyer will know he got scammed.

so your argument is grand fathering items is unfair cuz people will get scammed? scams are part of the game. dont buy grand fathered items you cant verify.. pretty simple.

[Ulfrigg]

No but you said they existed on osi, what items was that exept the houses being grandfatherd?

[Derrick]

I would like to pause for a moment so we can remember all those who purchased charged pure black dye tubs with silver then got a free unlimited one on easter

I would appreciate it if rumors, propaganda and nonequivalent situations were not used in order to support positions. There are so many instances of exaggeration or half truth in the threads on this subject that it would be a full time job to respond to them all. In the in end I am comfortable with the decision made in this mornings patch because in the end there is no 100% correct solution to this issue. The posters in these threads all have valid basis for their opinions, but in the end they are only opinions.

The statement above is not the whole truth, and as such is propaganda whether knowingly or not. The two players who had purchased charges black dye tubs were compensated. Whether that backs or detracts from the position being made, it is an important exclusion of fact in your example.

I don't typically take the time to respond to every partial truth or rumor on these forums simply because it's not possible to keep up. But i wanted to take the time to point out that a lot of the word of mouth history on which these opinions are being founded are not always the complete story. I had to make a decision, very reluctantly on this issue and for good or bad it's been made for now.

No but you said they existed on osi, what items was that exept the houses being grandfatherd?

pre-patch weapons

[Alex the Artist]

In my opinion, the decision is driving the wedge between the two groups even deeper. Prior to this change, I only cared about this issue as far as era accuracy. If it's accurate that they break, they should break. However, with this change, not only did we not uphold the accuracy banner that the server is founded on, but it rewards those with the items even more by bumping their value up tremendously. So, we had era inaccurate items that some felt should be protected because of their value. They paid too much for the items for them to break. Now, they are worth an immeasurable amount more because of this patch. They are laughing all the way to the bank, and in the forums. Not only was their expensive item protected, but it is now priceless. Double bonus!

One solution that I have is. . . . . offer them a refund. A mistake was made by saying that blessed items wouldn't break, and that's why they were grandfathered. Staff said they wouldn't break. But, the staff was wrong. They should have broken. But people spent a ton of silver obtaining these items and their value should be protected. Staff decided to grandfather them, and increased their value in the process. I propose that the staff temporarily change their 'no refund' policy. Offer them silver refunds for their items. That way, they aren't out any of their hard work. They get it all back. They can then spend their silver on something else.

This removes inaccurate items off the server, the people that spent silver on them thinking they would never break aren't out anything as they have their silver back. Up holding the integrity of the silver system's 'no refund' policy at the expense of server accuracy seems kind of backwards to me.

Which is greater?

Server's reputation as being as era accurate as possible.
Silver systems 'no refund' policy.
People keeping era inaccurate items obtained through an era inaccurate system.

As the item's 'value' is going up, and the number of new auctions selling 'pre-patch' indestructible items take place, it's going to make any future decisions even harder to make. You had items that were too valuable to break turning into items that are even MORE valuable now.

[Ulfrigg]

[/quote]pre-patch weapons[/quote]

They were indestructable?

[Sandro]

However, with this change it rewards those with the items even more by bumping their value up tremendously.

And how does this have an affect on the subject? Because you don't have any?

[Spitfire]

I don't think they should be grandfathered. Think about it, most mechanics of the shard at some point are thought to be "correct," until they are proven incorrect and a patch is made to change it. If Derrick said that the items were unbreakable, it may have been true at that time, but it was proven wrong.

Weapon damage just got reduced, should all the weapons that existed in the game pre-patch keep their higher damage range? If someone asked the damage potential of a new hally yesterday, the answer may have been 50 (which would have been "true"), where today it might be 40 (also "true"). "Truth" in this shard changes based on facts being found and patches being made.

[Alex the Artist]

However, with this change it rewards those with the items even more by bumping their value up tremendously.

And how does this have an affect on the subject? Because you don't have any?

That was addressed in my original post. Not going to type it again. What does what I have in the bank have to do with subject? Because you have one and I don't makes them more era accurate? That's one of the differences between you and me. You are trying to protect your personal property. I'm trying to protect the era accuracy of the server.

[Sandro]

So why bring up the value of said items at all if your posts are about mechanical issues?

[Downs]

Well... I was under the impression that they weren't compensated, so unintentional propaganda.

What's to stop us from compensating people who purchased their bless deeds with silver if accuracy is our goal and the majority don't like the grandfathered items?

I understand where these people come from and that one or two of the owners of said items who are for it are respected, and generally accepted as important members here (not you, trammel tourney only players); but if it turns out that the majority of the community opts for accuracy over grandfathered items in this case, is it not fair to not make them breakable and offer compensation to those that don't want it anymore?

Real question. I don't know the logistics behind it.

[Panthor the Hated]

grandfathering is a common practice throughout the gaming and real world. because this is effectively a policy change 3+ years into the shards life it makes sense to grandfather the expensive items that people were assured would behave a specific way. of course this doesnt have to be the case its a judgement call by derrick but its one that seems pretty reasonable.

its an effective way to introduce a positive change to a given situation while reducing the negative impact to people who will be most effected.

while it will undoubtly be denied the main motivation behind requesting that all prepatch items be altered so they break as well is clearly just to piss people off. this is the kinda trolling that even I don't support. why ruin something for the people that this matters too? with this patch we got an accurate change without causing serious negative consequences for many individuals. sounds like a pretty good solution to me.

if we were talking about items that gave an advantage in some way, such as weapons which were weakened in this patch, I may feel differently but these items are all for aesthetic appreciation only so given the lack of harm caused by grand fathering we may as well just let it be and move on.