Short but sweet

[Biohazard]

another fix is 1 acc per player, but this is also inaccurate since we've gone over many many times that many of us had multiple accounts in t2a.

1 acc per player and 10 bucks for every account thereafter up to 3 would work. Many is an overstatement in terms of how many people had multi account. If they did it was still not legal to run multiple accounts simultaneously.

[Alex21]

O i noticed this 'ghosting' just today, saw a ghost in a dungeon next thing a group of reds showed up.

I pressed Ctrl + Z, and i was safely back at my house suffering 26 damage. With 8k of farmed gold in my inventory along with 2.5k worth of gems an jewelry and a heap of magic weapons and armor.

I really don't see it to be such a big issue, make and escape macro,

Recall, Wait 1000, Target Rune.

1, 2, 3 easy....

if your too slow to escape a gank squad... then you should be hunting at Britain grave yard.

[n3g]

Yeah I gotta say I dont know why this is such a big issue. I have been on this server for 6 months or so and have been PK'd twice... I go to all the hotspots never had a problem.

Basically I think 2 things will help you if you have a problem getting pk'd

1. Always have reflect up if you can and when you see a red name recall out.

2. Dont hunt at LLs or Bloods.

[Alex21]

Yeah I gotta say I dont know why this is such a big issue. I have been on this server for 6 months or so and have been PK'd twice... I go to all the hotspots never had a problem.

Basically I think 2 things will help you if you have a problem getting pk'd

1. Always have reflect up if you can and when you see a red name recall out.

2. Dont hunt at LLs or Bloods.

Also the few times i am chased out by reds i literally recall back in 30 seconds later after banking gold and they are gone. They are so slutty and just looking to kill people they don't even loot the fresh corpses around where you were hunting.

[Biohazard]

if your too slow to escape a gank squad... then you should be hunting at Britain grave yard.

You miss the point like so many before you.

[Alex21]

if your too slow to escape a gank squad... then you should be hunting at Britain grave yard.

You miss the point like so many before you.

No you just think that the game mechanics you remember were across the board 'back in the day'.

[Biohazard]

No you just think that the game mechanics you remember were across the board 'back in the day'.

I don't even know what that means. Please enlighten me on what game mechanics I remember across the board 'back in the day'.

[Oderus Urungus]

Theres nothing illegal about what they are doing, if not a ghost then just a char hidden with stealth and tracking.
There are alternatives to this, its called trammel. You wont admit it, but its exactly what you want a safe place to farm.
I farm in every hotspot and I do get ghost/track pk'd from time to time. But I pull more money out of the dungeons then what they get off me.
Either recall first sight of someone, OR join a guild and put up a fight for the spot..

[Biohazard]

Theres nothing illegal about what they are doing, if not a ghost then just a char hidden with stealth and tracking.

Yes, it is not illegal. It's the fact that they are playing one (maybe 2) character while their other dead character just sits and waits for people to come to said location. They dont even have to risk a stealther/tracker. That's how easy and not risky it is. It's merely a symptom of multi-clienting. At least people should pay for it somehow.. like I said a monthly fee for every account past 1 OR concurrent connection past 1. I assure you that there are far too many cheapos unwilling to pay for such a thing. Obviously that wouldn't eliminate it completely but it would at least curb it.

[Duul al'Vath]

I know that we aren't supposed to name other shards so i will simply say that my previous shard was run by Adam Ant.

We had ghost cam problems there also. A fix was put in so that after 15 minutes(?) the ghost would "slip into the ethereal plane" and could only see Healer NPCs. They could not see corpses drop or anything else that would tip them to activity.

This might inconvenience a few folks that were not actually ghosting but I think that it would be an acceptable level of inconvenience. A change like this would go a long ways to eliminating ghost cams.

The code was made available for the entire shard so something like this might not be too hard to implement.

[Oderus Urungus]

Theres nothing illegal about what they are doing, if not a ghost then just a char hidden with stealth and tracking.

Yes, it is not illegal. It's the fact that they are playing one (maybe 2) character while their other dead character just sits and waits for people to come to said location. They dont even have to risk a stealther/tracker. That's how easy and not risky it is. It's merely a symptom of multi-clienting. At least people should pay for it somehow.. like I said a monthly fee for every account past 1 OR concurrent connection past 1. I assure you that there are far too many cheapos unwilling to pay for such a thing. Obviously that wouldn't eliminate it completely but it would at least curb it.

Pay for a free server?
Dont think they can take any money unless its a donation anyways..
stealther/tracker doesnt have anymore risk then a ghost. What they die? What do they loose?
Is it hard to fight fire with fire? Ghost the hotspots before going there with your blue and farming?
Pk's can play 2 chars AND their ghost why cant you?

[heimdallr]

not only should ghosting be ELIMINATED but other people shouldn't be able to loot the monster that was killed by ME, or if they loot MY kill they should turn grey like the criminals they are

it makes me so ANGRY

how dare you kill me or take the loot off the monsters I killed

and we should also discuss the TRAVESTY of my horse dying when I'm pked

it should be that when I die and am resurrected my horse comes with me... in my backpack

in fact, why should a thief be allowed to take MY stuff? He didn't craft the weapon or make the money. Thievery should only work on monsters from now on.

And why should the PKs who rule the dungeons get a monopoly on good magic weapons? We should be able to craft powerful magic weapons from town.

Derrick take note, I expect these changes to be made immediately so when I get back from my anal bleaching I can feel safe in a perfect virtual, 12 year old world.

/sarcasm

But seriously, the problem doesn't stem from ghosting, even though its a shitty exploit like everything else. It is a symptom of a problem elsewhere. PKs who ghost are desperate for human interaction and like pirates search vainly for plunder for the taking. Somehow we don't have the kind of pvp regularly, or maybe an anti pk scene, that makes this interaction. At places like brit GY its just hey, im red, your blue--attack! or the reverse, then if someones losing he legs it for 30 minutes running in circles until either the situation changes in his favor or he leaves. That isn't fun. Sorry to say it, the Vesper bridge red-blue thing that people hate so much was a great place for action on UO-R, UOG-Div, and IPY.

As alluded to earlier the real problem underlying the lack of interaction causing shitty ghosting behavior results from------no one needing to interact. Its Razor bitches! We can do whatever the **** we want ourselves. I got 95 lockpicking in about 12 hours, first time ive ever made anything close to a crafter ever in any UO time ever. Before this time I went to other people for everything, to buy stuff, to ask for stuff, to trade for stuff, to learn stuff. Hell, there isn't a reason in the world I should run anywhere now, I can recall everywhere I need- Bank, Regs, House, PVP spots.

done and done

@reality

(PS the /sarcasm and @reality things ive never done before but seen people do on digg so i hope im doing it right)

[Biohazard]

Pay for a free server?
Dont think they can take any money unless its a donation anyways..
stealther/tracker doesnt have anymore risk then a ghost. What they die? What do they loose?
Is it hard to fight fire with fire? Ghost the hotspots before going there with your blue and farming?
Pk's can play 2 chars AND their ghost why cant you?

That's what I was saying.. you can't use 2 accounts or 2 connections unless you donate.

If things were true to era, then you could only be connected one time to the server legally per computer. The stealther/tracker would not waste their one connection on ghosting because that basically translates to not playing at all. The "deal with it and ghost yourself" argument has been brought up plenty of times. Really though you could just say "deal with it" for anything that is incorrect. Why fix anything. The idea for me is to play true UO... not quake UO where you have numerous characters cocked and loaded logged out in your house while one of your other accounts sits in a popular dungeon spot waiting for people to roll through unsuspectingly.

[Oderus Urungus]

Face it we want the same thing. Trammel..
PKs will ALWAYS be there. If they couldnt ghost, they will find a new safe way to do it.. Guaranteed..

[Biohazard]

Face it we want the same thing. Trammel..
PKs will ALWAYS be there. If they couldnt ghost, they will find a new safe way to do it.. Guaranteed..

I said nothing of trammel. When I go out to kill people I happen upon them. I know people will do it anyway.. my point is to have a curb in place to limit how many.