bring em back

[Populus]

lol

[kill drizitz]

Im going to offer an alternative to the events. I absolutely think bringing back PVP events will increase population and activity... Too many accounts are inactive because the pvp scene is small, and MANY of those "could" come back if events were in place. Those old graphs showing server pop do NOT tell the whole story involving events and pop at all...

The alternative to me is that we have decided to ban a large group of the pvp population. I think this has had more of an effect on server pop than anything else. Im not saying some people don't deserve it, but a perma ban is pretty crazy for a freeshard. I am not saying here that duping gold (any amount) is ok... but I will use cr3w just as an example- So alatar got in trouble for selling his accounts (at the time was legal?.. could be wrong), comes back dupes gold gets premabanned with many of his buddies. HOW is this any different than people cutting up ice white hats and making ice white cloth for gold... Or the best example is how TG and others found an exploit with player vendors being able to get LOTS of neon hued sandals, blessing them- then later reporting the bug... Seriously, I love everything about this shard, but perma bans on active members is the worst disease on this shard. Take away their gold, their houses, neon sandals, whatever- but banishing them from the server means for every 1 person banned you will loose another 10-20 of their buds. Posting a dupe bug on forums, and not fixing the problem is a bait and hook tactic if you ask me, then to ban someone for seeing how it is done just doesn't make sense. Fix the problem and move on- just like neon sandals, ice and blood cloth.. Keep the players here.

OR, bring back events... hehe. I wont play anywhere else, but I think the banning of players killed more than events. Food for thought. Now I doubt any of the banned members would even come back, but I bet if they did (not just cr3w, telemon or whoever else I don't really know), the shard would have a revival.

[Notorious]

^ nailed it

[nubnub]

...but banishing them from the server means for every 1 person banned you will loose another 10-20 of their buds.

I'm a nub, but are you stating because 5-10 people got banned the server lost 100-200 other players? Sounds like FauxNews data to me but I'm a nub - so what do I know. If what you state is true perhaps the server is better off. You've stated these folks were exploiting various bugs resulting in bans and if that many other folks left with them so be it - birds of a feather - I'd prefer an honest/genuine pop of 100 over a pop of 300 bent on destroying the server.

[Budner]

Small house deed to anyone who can actually make this thread go away.

[kill drizitz]

...but banishing them from the server means for every 1 person banned you will loose another 10-20 of their buds.

I'm a nub, but are you stating because 5-10 people got banned the server lost 100-200 other players? Sounds like FauxNews data to me but I'm a nub - so what do I know. If what you state is true perhaps the server is better off. You've stated these folks were exploiting various bugs resulting in bans and if that many other folks left with them so be it - birds of a feather - I'd prefer an honest/genuine pop of 100 over a pop of 300 bent on destroying the server.

Yes, even 1/2 of the guild that wasnt banned stopped playing. Thier friends who were not in the guild stopped playing as well.. When it was all said and done, just banning cr3w alone probably lost close to 15 unique IP's, and the loss of pvp action trickled down to a large loss in IP's. Just think about what would happen if TG was permabanned for thier use of the neon vendor exploit. That guild (along with cr3w) is one of the largest and longest lasting guilds here. TG ban would do the same thing, but they are still here.

Honest/Genuine players on a freeshard is laughable at best, lets be real about that. Freeshards give nothing to loose as we dont pay- which is fine. It gives rise to griefers and scammers. Some of our most active longstanding/"famous" players are griefers/scammers. Not everyone breaks rules or griefs and scams, and punishment IS necessary. Permabanning, even for repeat offenders offers no help to the shard. IMO

Kinda derailed the events idea, so my bad. Just seeing as it appears events will NOT come back, I thought Id just give another perspective. Id love to see them back too

[Capitalist]

kill drizitz

[farnk]

For what its worth...The most recent banning of scienter absolutely crushed the pvp scene here. Anyone who was around pvping last summer can agree with that statement.

[Lambo]

^^

And in all reality it was only really three groups for the most part, which would not be hard to muster. It's strange how when one person is not active those groups become non existent. One of the problems with a small community is everyone wants to be BFF. Go to the GY ... Oranges, reds, Greys.. All stand around dueling. No ganks , nothing. Which I completely understand that in reality we are all on the same team here supporting UOSA and you see such a small intimate community it's hard not to make friends.

But the beauty of the ultima Sandbox is anything can happen at any time. I can kill you and take all your shit. If I wanted arena fighting there are far more advanced games to play. In short , UO Pvp isn't fun unless there is someone to hate, someone to repay for "unethical" play, someone to call trash.

Now I understand if we all met up IRL we'd prob get along but the best Pvp in UO is that in which is emotionally driven. With that being said with a community we have there is such a fine line to be walked.

Speaking of hatred ganka returns from overseas in the coming months. Whether you love him (which you don't) there is no denying he is good for the Pvp scene. 5 people could be logged on and he would have 10 chasing him around the GY.

Cheers all the best to everyone.

[Capitalist]

Adversity is the only way I survive on this shard. I don't know how you boring fucks play with each others dicks so much. I'm dead serious by the way.

I can kill you and take all your shit.

^ Sigged for truth.

[Teriyl]

...but banishing them from the server means for every 1 person banned you will loose another 10-20 of their buds.

I'm a nub, but are you stating because 5-10 people got banned the server lost 100-200 other players? Sounds like FauxNews data to me but I'm a nub - so what do I know. If what you state is true perhaps the server is better off. You've stated these folks were exploiting various bugs resulting in bans and if that many other folks left with them so be it - birds of a feather - I'd prefer an honest/genuine pop of 100 over a pop of 300 bent on destroying the server.

People play this game with their friends, when people leave for whatever reason so do their friends sometimes. 100-200 is a huge stretch, but the logic is correct.

Enjoy running around your empty server fighting the same 5 active PvPers left then man. PvP is the only draw for this server...limited crafting in this era, no champ spawn or other end game type stuff to do. Without an active PvP community this server is stale.

[Apocalypse]

PvP is the only draw for this server...

Possibly true for the majority, but "only" is a strong word. Not all of us are here for the PVP. Take it from someone who's hours of PVP experience can be counted on on hand....scratch that, one finger...partially extended.

[Rammar]

PvP is the only draw for this server...

Possibly true for the majority, but "only" is a strong word. Not all of us are here for the PVP. Take it from someone who's hours of PVP experience can be counted on on hand....scratch that, one finger...partially extended.

Let me guess which finger...

[nubnub]

PvP is the only draw for this server...

But... I thought it was the automated events. No pleasing the whiners... carry-on.

[Menkaure]

For what its worth...The most recent banning of scienter absolutely crushed the pvp scene here. Anyone who was around pvping last summer can agree with that statement.

Qft.
Still a 400-500 pop when Scienter was here.
Uosa lost Scienter.... Well look at the number to the top right.
Dude brought a lot of competitiveness to the shard.
Whether you loved him or hate him he was the only guy who would go into a fight 4v1 and still would either win, or cause you to pull your hair out because he was so hard to kill.