Reporting AFK fishers and sea miners.

[Vhyx]

Any type of response be it recalling, sailing away at high speed, or (heaven forbid) fighting back is better than....

*Cast*.
Forward One
*Cast*
Forward One
*Cas....*
OoOooOo OoO

You know, some indication that there is some kind of quasi sentient being on the other end.

I am aware that by merely killing them we aren't stopping the problem. We merely slow it down for however long it takes the offender to return to their keyboard. I have decided that my personal MO will be to kill, observe for a bit, move on. However after running into them for the umpteenth time, and it's obvious they didn't just step away for a quick minute.. I'll report.

As far as loot is concerned...

It would be nice if things were a little more lucrative out on the seas, but it is what it is. Currently it's not good as a primary source of income, rather it's supplementary. If I were to put a rough estimate on what I've earned trough a few weeks of piracy, I'd say between 40-50k. Nothing to write home about, but I don't really do it for the loot. I do it for the hunt, and I do it to make fishing actually have a slight element of danger for those that partake in it. (at least for those who are active with it and not just running an afk macro)

[Brules]

If the resources are attained by AFK macroing, all resources should be confiscated. You killing said macroer and taking their loot would be like killing a drug dealer IRL and taking his crack......crack is crack no matter who posses it. Report them and get them baned.

Banned > any other outcome.

[Atraxi]

Here's how it should be:

You report
Staff comes.
Staff confirms that the person is afk gathering.
Staff asks if you had planned on killing/looting the offender.
You say "yes"
Staff takes any resource on the offender that he might have gotten afk at that location. (if the offender is fishing, for example, he would take all fish, fish steaks, footwear, leather, magic fish, maps, and mibs)
Staff allows you to kill and loot the offender as you would have had they not been there. (except for the resources, of course)
Once you are finished, Staff takes the offender's ghost, boat, and all that's left to wherever.

Simple.

The whistle-blower still gets to kill and loot, but you are not allowing the offender to damage the economy.

I fish soley for the purpose of MiBs. If I were to be jailed that would be OK, for my crime.

But! If you were able to loot my corpse of say 10 MiB's(for example) that would still damage the economy.

Instead of it being in my possession it would be in your possession.

Either way it would cause inflation due to the afk vast amount of time being able to be spent gathering resources.
You macro Fishing 3 hours because of work, watching it. Where as *I* (example) AFK fishing all night, and all day.

Read the whole post.

That's why I put the part in that says:

Staff takes any resource on the offender that he might have gotten afk at that location. (if the offender is fishing, for example, he would take all fish, fish steaks, footwear, leather, magic fish, maps, and mibs)

This way anything fishing related, whether he got it there or not, is gone, so that ppl can't put it into the economy.

[Vhyx]

Forgot to add in my last post, in reference to loot....

I am with the people that say it's not good for the shards economy for illegally obtained items to remain in circulation. My greedy side of course thinks it would be nice to get my hands on more stuff, but like I said before I'm not in this gig to get rich. One of the best things about this shard is the economy isn't completely wrecked by inflation. It's healthy and I want it to stay that way.

I take what I can get when people lapse on boat security measures and that suits me just fine.

[DarkWing]

If they report and then cannot loot, what incentive do they have to report again when they can just loot? By not reporting and looting, they get loot, but the macroer gets off free. By providing a penalty for reporting you only hurt the server.

most afk'rs are not lootable ..

[Vhyx]

DarkWing speaks the truth.

I'm not a huge numbers person, but were I to conjure up some guess I'd say 3/4 of the people I've killed at sea over the past few weeks were not lootable.

They don't carry a key, the boat stays locked, and they stand where their corpse cannot be looted. Hence my point in another post that piracy (at least right now) isn't a get rich quick business venture.

I simply find it amusing.

[Kander]

Yarr! I been sailing the seas for months now here in UOSA and months ago making some gold was ok doing what we did. There was alot of ppl out sailing. And back then we would report alot of ppl or a least try and let some staff know of their name. Some times we would wait for staff and no one ever showed up so we would killin and move on. Any one remember fatty mike? we killed him 100s of times and reported on him alot. But im in favor to report the ppl IF we are able to kill and loot if possible. then staff takes what ever that we are not able to get our self. Yar!!!!!

[chumbucket]

I say let them loot after reporting. Here's why:

Scenario 1: X is afk macro-resource-gathers Y resources. Pirates come along, kill, take loot, go on their way. X lives to macro-resource gather another day and Y resources are in the hands of the pirates. Future macro'd resources are inevitable.

Scenario 2: X macros up Y resources. Pirates come along, report, kill, take resources. X is banned. Y resources are once again in the hands of the pirates but no future resources are to be macroed up by X.

Scenario 1 is how it works now basically. These people aren't going to just sail around the world with the sole aim of reporting macroers. Scenario 2 would give them incentive to keep up their playstyle and keep a significant number of macro'd resources from being brought into the world. And letting them keep only the loot that isn't macro'd isn't going to help, since that will be next to nothing.

[Downs]

You killing said macroer and taking their loot would be like killing a drug dealer IRL and taking his crack......crack is crack no matter who posses it.

this made me lol.

what about a finder's fee of sorts. If you report them and the items would be lootable, give them the ability to take like 25% if they are able to loot it or something?

then there's a reward for reporting it and helping putting a stop to it rather than killing, taking 100% of it, and letting them set up to macro again.

[GleepGlop]

So you want a reward for reporting people? You old timers are hilarious

[Downs]

i don't want a reward, i don't check afkers & if I do come across one, i'll report and not expect anything. I'm just putting input into this thread.

all I'm saying is that doing something like that would give people more motivation to report afkers. as it stands now, the only benefit to someone reporting an afker as opposed to killing them is that it helps the shard at their possible expense.

while this is the greater reason to do this, 75% of the people on this shard will take what they can and move on.

not an old timer looking for a reward. my trammel riches know no boundaries

[Pirul]

I support Atraxi's idea.

Page - GM Arrives - Confirms offender is afk - removes the product of such afk activity (ore, fishes, MiB's T-maps, etc.) - pauses for 3 minutes while he "goes get his coffee" - comes back and takes the ghost to jail and confiscates the remaining items.

[BobDobbs]

So you want a reward for reporting people? You old timers are hilarious

UOSA does not have paid staff to police for AFK resource macroers. I wouldn't be opposed to those who take it upon themselves to do so receiving some sort of reward for it. But it should probably come from the community rather than the staff.

[Downs]

I'm not saying staff handout. right now if kander kills a fisherman, loots what he can, and reports, then thats not proof for punishment, as all they see is a ghost macroing something weird.

I'm saying, report, gm shows up, confirms that the afk macroing is taking place, takes most of the resources, and lets kander do what he will, possibly leaving him some loot if it's accessible , then the gms can jail him and do what they will..

[Rammar]

I'd say you caught em, you should be able to do with them what you will, same as any other time.

Whoever caught them is already spending the time to page (and wait if they hope to kill/loot) and potentially losing a future source of easy resources themselves. The impact to the economy from getting their days haul is insignificant compared to the compounding damage they would otherwise cause.