Getting guard whacked outside the guard zone.

[MatronDeWinter]

So why aren't guards teleporting out of the guard zone? Guards have always worked in this way... if you commit a criminal action against someone who is inside town, you should get whacked regardless of where you are standing (assuming guards are called).

Is there any plan to patch this in?

That is not accurate.

[nightshark]

So why aren't guards teleporting out of the guard zone? Guards have always worked in this way... if you commit a criminal action against someone who is inside town, you should get whacked regardless of where you are standing (assuming guards are called).

Is there any plan to patch this in?

That is not accurate.

So when did the patch go in on OSI where this changed? I seem to recall this always being the case - playing since may '99. If there were no patches regarding the functioning of guards, surely it should be in place.

[MatronDeWinter]

So why aren't guards teleporting out of the guard zone? Guards have always worked in this way... if you commit a criminal action against someone who is inside town, you should get whacked regardless of where you are standing (assuming guards are called).

Is there any plan to patch this in?

That is not accurate.

So when did the patch go in on OSI where this changed? I seem to recall this always being the case - playing since may '99. If there were no patches regarding the functioning of guards, surely it should be in place.

I'm not going to go patch scouring, it's essentially your option in this argument to prove me wrong with facts. In any case, I really only need to mention that via personal account, almost everyone here can remember being pelted with arrows near the guardzone in moonglow, or gaining archery on them from outside the zone. Did they get guard whacked? Why else would these GM placed signs have existed?

[nightshark]

So why aren't guards teleporting out of the guard zone? Guards have always worked in this way... if you commit a criminal action against someone who is inside town, you should get whacked regardless of where you are standing (assuming guards are called).

Is there any plan to patch this in?

That is not accurate.

So when did the patch go in on OSI where this changed? I seem to recall this always being the case - playing since may '99. If there were no patches regarding the functioning of guards, surely it should be in place.

I'm not going to go patch scouring, it's essentially your option in this argument to prove me wrong with facts. In any case, I really only need to mention that via personal account, almost everyone here can remember being pelted with arrows near the guardzone in moonglow, or gaining archery on them from outside the zone. Did they get guard whacked? Why else would these GM placed signs have existed?

Do you remember how that worked?

-Attack someone in town, get whacked.
-Get a friend to ressurrect you.
-Attack the guard while it was still grey to you, from the opposite side of the fence.
-Free archery points

So.. the way guards are currently working are based off memory?

[MatronDeWinter]

Do you remember how that worked?

-Attack someone in town, get whacked.
-Get a friend to ressurrect you.
-Attack the guard while it was still grey to you, from the opposite side of the fence.
-Free archery points

You could do that, and the reason it worked was because the guard was flagged as attackable to you after you ressed, and therefor no more guards would be called becuase you did not re-commit your criminal offense.

The point I am trying to make is that these 2 scenarios did both exist. The difference is that the scenario in which the guards reach was outside the zone line, was exploited on OSI, and prompty changed as I recall. I mentioned before, people pre-casting recall and noto-killing pk's, someone also posted an account of absorbing explosion and then running into the guard zone. The question here is, "when did the rules change".

I know that our target era supports the patch notes that contain the "Explosion damage will now be instant" (or similar) patch. This does not mean that explosion would instantly hit, it meant that the damage would be calculated, and it would be impossible to cast MR to nullify an already targeted explosion. Why do you think that is?

[Kaivan]

Guards would, and still do teleport outside of guard zone to kill criminals that attack an innocent inside guard zone. The one limitation is that they would only attack the person if they were within a certain distance of guard zone.

That is to say, on OSI a player could cast explosion on someone inside guard zone from outside guards, and run away as quickly as possible from their victim. If they were on a horse and had a sufficient connection, the player could put enough distance between themselves and their victim to avoid being guardwhacked by that player.

[MatronDeWinter]

That is to say, on OSI a player could cast explosion on someone inside guard zone from outside guards, and run away as quickly as possible from their victim. If they were on a horse and had a sufficient connection, the player could put enough distance between themselves and their victim to avoid being guardwhacked by that player.

The only time I ever remember outrunning being possible was that small time when you could get away by running straight east/west during UO:R. I thought we had the guard-rules here where you were instantly killed, along with a grey guard placed by your side.

[Hicha]

Guards would, and still do teleport outside of guard zone to kill criminals that attack an innocent inside guard zone. The one limitation is that they would only attack the person if they were within a certain distance of guard zone.

That is to say, on OSI a player could cast explosion on someone inside guard zone from outside guards, and run away as quickly as possible from their victim. If they were on a horse and had a sufficient connection, the player could put enough distance between themselves and their victim to avoid being guardwhacked by that player.

That isn't how it works here, Kaivan. This is my archer 2 tiles outside of the Trinsic guard zone attacking another character:

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My archer didn't get guard whacked until he physically came into the guard zone and attacked my other character while I spammed guards.

[Sandro]

Obviously you we're flagged to that character or else guards would most definitely kill him.

Guards are not bugged on this server.. You must have line of sight to call guards and have them kill a criminal.

[nightshark]

Obviously you we're flagged to that character or else guards would most definitely kill him.

Guards are not bugged on this server.. You must have line of sight to call guards and have them kill a criminal.

My archer didn't get guard whacked until he physically came into the guard zone and attacked my other character while I spammed guards.

Obviously he was flagged.

[MatronDeWinter]

Obviously you we're flagged to that character or else guards would most definitely kill him.

Guards are not bugged on this server.. You must have line of sight to call guards and have them kill a criminal.

You do need line of sight, yes. But you are wrong about how it works here currently.

I would like more information on what Kaivan posted above.

[Sandro]

You can do exactly what Kaivan posted.

And, to be real technical. You can even be red, in town, and still kill people, as long as nobody comes within LoS and says guards.

The line of sight, is between the player calling guards, and the player who is a criminal inside town. Else, guards will not come.

A classic way of killing people afk in town on Siege Perilous, was to load explosions on the afk player, and to cut a corner, breaking LoS, and hiding. You can also move, while "guards can now be called on you" in town, by teleporting, because the NPC check for calling guards, is "OnMove".

Need I post more?

[MatronDeWinter]

You can do exactly what Kaivan posted.

And, to be real technical. You can even be red, in town, and still kill people, as long as nobody comes within LoS and says guards.

The line of sight, is between the player calling guards, and the player who is a criminal inside town. Else, guards will not come.

A classic way of killing people afk in town on Siege Perilous, was to load explosions on the afk player, and to cut a corner, breaking LoS, and hiding. You can also move, while "guards can now be called on you" in town, by teleporting, because the NPC check for calling guards, is "OnMove".

Need I post more?

Do you even know what we are talking about here?

[Sandro]

Yes.

The original topic is about guards killing players who aren't inside a guarded region. Then the topic got slightly leaned towards how guards work in the first place.

I play a stat-loss pk, I know exactly how guards & guarded regions work..

[MatronDeWinter]

You can do exactly what Kaivan posted.

No you cannot.

I play a stat-loss pk, I know exactly how guards & guarded regions work..

Obviously you dont.