Temporary Compromise/Fix for Trophies

[Pro]

Lets all pretend there wasn't 10x the activity before trophys were taken away.

[Hoots]

Lets all pretend there wasn't 10x the activity before trophys were taken away.

what do you condier activity? Client numbers (total & uniques) are going up.

The game isnt 100% about PvP. Never has been.

[Pro]

I just meant generally you'd see more people about i didnt even mention pvp.

[son]

time sink?

is that really what your argument is.... You are logged into the game so you deserve reward....

Some douche face said 1v1 is no risk.

Well its a HUGE risk if you spend 30 mins and get no reward.

how is this not clear?

Spend 30 mins smashing mongbats with dupree and you get 5 pts. But GASP you might lose some regs.

[tekai]

I sure spent 5k on wear to my vanqs, 15+ explos 10+ poison vials, and 10 magic resist charges at the latest 1vs1.


we do use resources in some of the tourniments.

[BlackFoot]

Two hours of real risk playing in the real uosa landscape outweighs any 30 mins spent in a trammel version on the world.
Even 5 minutes in the real world outweights any time spent in the risk free trammel land.

[Fwerp]

Well, regardless, I still think many people were flat-out wrong about the effects of removing trophies from CTF/DD.

The current system gives people trophies that are worth TWENTY-FIVE times as much gold as a trophy did previously (with rather minimal risk). That's right -- whereas some players were aghast that new players were given a 50% chance to obtain a 5,000 gp trophy for "no risk" (except the obvious waste of time risk) -- they now support handing out trophies valued at 75,000+ gp for virtually no risk. The old system was said to be "ruining the economy" because some people were "farming" trophies; but, somehow, the new regime which impacts the economy on a larger scale (because of the inflated value of trophies) does not pose any quandaries.

People also contended that the removal of trophies would lead to a more active and vibrant shard since people would be forced to go out into the world. I argued the reverse, namely, that this would lead to more people not bothering to log in, and a less concentrated playerbase, given that there would be no mechanism to help the players from twenty-four zones synchronize their playtimes. I was resoundingly right on this point, and it is hard to see how others could have been more mistaken.

It was even argued that removing trophies would not materially affect the number of players at events. Needless to say, prior to the removal of trophies, events were never canceled due to lack of participants...

So, there you go. A "I-was-100%-right, many-of-you-were-completely-and-utterly-wrong!" post, from me to you.

[son]

Fwerp is right, Fruit Loops or whoever cried is wrong.

PS I hate events, but you can bet your ass after the event there will be some nice fights at bucs. Its not rocket science. So bring back trophies for the two crapy events or also reduce the trophies givent to pvm events to 1 point.

Then I can start charging 50k per point 8D

[Tron]

pvp events are absolutly risk free
why should somone who risks absolutely nothing, not even regs, be rewarded with anything at all

Those events that take place in the real world, costing people equipment and resources to take part in, people dying losing their gear, taking RISK

are far more deserving of reward

risking 3-5k worth of loot for a 50k reward isn't much of a risk at all

Any risk > zero risk.

You basically just reinforced his arguement.

It is simple to me. PvM events may be participated in by all. New/old/7x/newbs/thiefs/tanks/guilds/solos/reds/blues/etc/etc/etc

1 vs 1 is basicaly a 7x hally-tank competition. With previous rewards you had to be a very skilled hally mage to have a shot at winning enough trophies to buy something.


Rewarding 1 specfic 7x template when there art hundreds of other templates in this game does not make sense to me.

1v1 isn't the only event in which trophies went out, and all players could participate in those events, not just haly mages.

my point was that the RISK for pvm events doesn't even come close to the reward. its such a pittance that it shouldn't even be mentioned. you can kick back at one of these pvm events and be assured 75k at the end with only 2k in loot on you.

at least a pvp event required your team to win to get anything, and generally you needed to participate for your team to win.

and yes, time is an investment. time spent winning/losing a pvp event is time you could have spent making/selling fancy shirts. no risk with reward there either.

pvp events made the server feel alive and were lots of fun. i missed them immediately. i like fruit loops, great guy, but it's ridiculous that he was the forerunner in all those threads to get trophies removed and quit the shard just after. i wish for once those of us (the many) who enjoyed the old system could get tossed a bone on this.

[BlackFoot]

As funny as the argument is, I really dont think 'time cost' should be taken into account when your talking about playing a game you enjoy.

[GuardianKnight]

I don't think the PvP enthusiasts really enjoy the game anymore. It's the same as it was on osi in steps.

1.You start off as a noob and you are friendly to everyone and enjoying the game.
2. You play enough that people recognize your name and your skills go up. (still friendly)
3. You get pked (wow i got pked) still friendly but a little jaded.
4. You find a way around pks and build your account up and you are a bit bored (friendly but not as friendly as before)
5.You become a pk because that's the only way to really kill anyone (you try to pretend you still like people, not as friendly)
6. You die in statloss to someone that wouldn't have lost anything if they died (you aren't nice at all)
7. You become a griefer that only other griefers want to be around.
8. Get in groups to kill people so you don't die, and only do 1 v 1 in tourneys and events that you lose nothing. (at this point no one likes you but a-holes).
9. Complain that you aren't getting high end trophies for all your hard work at doing nothing but teaming up on people 1 at a time in said events using party chat.

10. Whine Whine Whine , go pk a bit til no one shows up to your pking and then you quit.

[Phallax]

I see PVM events as more points because they happen far less frequent than PVP events.

Since ive played on the shard ive made a total of 1 event and im almost always on during primetime/late hours. But ive been to many PvP 1v1s and lately sstarted winning a few.

PvP events if your good u can wrack up tons and tons of points quickly. As a PvMer you have to wait around and hope for an event to happen while your on, they arent scheduled for you to set your life schedule to like most PvP tournies are.

But as for the CTF trophies i couldnt agree more there needs to be some sort of trophy system for it. I only attend certain 1v1s cuz i know i have a chance at a trophy, i dont attend domi or ctf cuz there isnt any chance for 1.

-Jeebs

[Mikel123]

Sorry, I've never participated in an event, but... if you want points, and PvM events have more points... then do PvM events. Right?

This sounds a lot like a secretary complaining that garbage men make more money. If you want to make more money, be a garbage man. If you want to be a secretary, be a secretary. But picking one and then whining that you don't get the benefits of the other seems a little weird.

[Tron]

I see PVM events as more points because they happen far less frequent than PVP events.

Since ive played on the shard ive made a total of 1 event and im almost always on during primetime/late hours. But ive been to many PvP 1v1s and lately sstarted winning a few.

PvP events if your good u can wrack up tons and tons of points quickly. As a PvMer you have to wait around and hope for an event to happen while your on, they arent scheduled for you to set your life schedule to like most PvP tournies are.

But as for the CTF trophies i couldnt agree more there needs to be some sort of trophy system for it. I only attend certain 1v1s cuz i know i have a chance at a trophy, i dont attend domi or ctf cuz there isnt any chance for 1.

-Jeebs

PVP events are scripted for one, they don't need a seer or Derrick running it to make it happen. Meaning they actually HAPPEN. That's why you've seen 2 pvm events. It means our admin is busy working on that, instead of working on the shard.

Sorry, I've never participated in an event, but... if you want points, and PvM events have more points... then do PvM events. Right?

This sounds a lot like a secretary complaining that garbage men make more money. If you want to make more money, be a garbage man. If you want to be a secretary, be a secretary. But picking one and then whining that you don't get the benefits of the other seems a little weird.

No disrespect but you can't really say anything about the old state of things if you weren't even here for it.

Bottom line from a pvpers stand point. The pvp events brought everyone out. For a little bit, almost guaranteed, during the event, and after. The world pvp was much more active and bucs den looked like it should. Full of reds, blues, and bodies.
There is no focal to anything here, there are no real guild wars, o/c is horrid, and there are no factions. There is no reason for anything except to collect wealth, and it means NOTHING. Its pixels, on a free shard. Uo is one of the greatest games because of the competitive pvp, not because of the whatever else you may think. The only other thing UO does better than other mmos is let you collect junk and offer great pvp. The majority of the uo population will always be here for UO pvp. EQ was the pvmers game, and did that, and crafting, much better than UO did. pvp minigames like this are awesome because UO's mechanics make it so. It's a slap in the face to know that there is this great time waiting to be had, but because people care so much about pixels, we're not allowed to do it anymore. We get constant patches that are made to "improve accuracy" without a care to the effect on the pvp, but we have to take it because on this shard uo is about more than just the pvp. And we get our pvp minigames shut down because a few people were very vocal about removing them. We didn't get a changed system, we got no system.

As far as whoever saying "You can wrack up tons of points". That's not necc true. First, you need to make the event. 3 per day = 3 max points per day. And second you need to win to get a point. So you're still not racking up massive points.
Rewards are not cheap here. Why do you think you only see the really old players with rewards? Or some of the very rich? I played like a true fucking crack head when events were still populated and I played every event to win, and loved the competition of them. It was like UO on speed, or UO abyss test. And after every event you could be assured to find pvp just one red gate away. And not just random world pvp like you're normally get lucky to find, but GROUP pvp, because everyone is on and everyone is already grouped. 5 TB were in the event, those 5 TB are going to be out pvping afterwards. They're already geared, and already playing together.

Bring something back, why is this so unimportant, but cutting band aids 1 at a time top of the to do?

Is asking for fun to much too much to ask?

[Kabal]

I agree with tron