Era accuracy with Tamers.

[GuardianKnight]

I don't have web page info but i know that "all kill" used all pets at once because i have NEVER had to set up a macro to say different pet names the way i have here.

The only time i ever had problems getting all my pets to do something was when they ignored my commands randomly...All kill always gave a cursor to target and some would go and some would ignore. Here they ignore your command and a cursor doesn't even show up half the time.

I have seen a discussion about tamers and their limitations and the whole discussion wreaked of "anti-tamer" sentiment because a empowered tamer would ruin the special hally mage club that has taken over the server. My main has ALWAYS been a tamer and my secondary a dexer and from my experience on this server so far it seems tamers are completely defenseless to grief and pks. My first pk experience was being pked by a tamer pk in ice dungeon and that's why i made a tamer in the first place...to fight back. As it stands tamers are just gold farmers and pk fodder.


I really hope that the game isn't being changed for tamers because of the overwhelming attacks on them by people that don't like the play style. I never thought i would see a server where a tamer is a rich victim.


(*edit*) Feels like you are nerfing tamers because you are afraid to irritate the people ruling the pvp world.

[tekai]

*sigh*

Here goes faust and Hemp..

Keep dreaming Robot, I would give a lot for all kill.

Sure is odd theres so many of us poping up that remember it? hmm? hmm mabey it was stealth patched out and thats why theres no patch note? hmm..

i dunno

Tekai

[Hemperor]

use the search function, there are far too many topics on this already and each have sufficient evidence proving that how you explain it wasn't so.

era accurate documents & usenet posts from 99 saying "all kill only tells one pet to attack" among other things. Without a doubt accurate.

[Chaos]

you make good points .. but seeing this system has been overhauled (and i didn't play osi so i may not know) it seems to me that there is a diff. in mounted pet and non mounted .. ie you can't provoke a mounted horse even if you have it as last target .. how ever if you unmounted even just a a sec .. it could be forced into anothers control ??

[Caranthir]

it seems tamers are completely defenseless to grief and pks

Woot? O.o If you sit there with two WWs and a PK runs in, chances of you dying are practically zero, chances of him dying are quite high. All you need to do is a kill, b kill and then heal away his damage while your WWs double flamestrike him.

[archaicsubrosa77]

you make good points .. but seeing this system has been overhauled (and i didn't play osi so i may not know) it seems to me that there is a diff. in mounted pet and non mounted .. ie you can't provoke a mounted horse even if you have it as last target .. how ever if you unmounted even just a a sec .. it could be forced into anothers control ??

Not provoked...you cant turn a horse or any pet upon their owner. You must be thinking of something else

[GuardianKnight]

it seems tamers are completely defenseless to grief and pks

Woot? O.o If you sit there with two WWs and a PK runs in, chances of you dying are practically zero, chances of him dying are quite high. All you need to do is a kill, b kill and then heal away his damage while your WWs double flamestrike him.

The "a kill " b kill" macro works 50% of the time and hangs up the other 50%. You end up stopping the macro and trying to cast heal and end up healing the last target..."Pk". The target cursor doesn't pop up hardly. It seems like it was setup to fail when targeted at players.

[Caranthir]

it seems tamers are completely defenseless to grief and pks

Woot? O.o If you sit there with two WWs and a PK runs in, chances of you dying are practically zero, chances of him dying are quite high. All you need to do is a kill, b kill and then heal away his damage while your WWs double flamestrike him.

The "a kill " b kill" macro works 50% of the time and hangs up the other 50%. You end up stopping the macro and trying to cast heal and end up healing the last target..."Pk". The target cursor doesn't pop up hardly. It seems like it was setup to fail when targeted at players.

So make F1 "a kill" and F2 "b kill"?

[Hemperor]

"a kill" "b kill" does work. However, in era there were no razor macros, so if your macro does seem to hang up because of an unresponsive pet, you should be prepared for that.

There are numerous other ways to farm/attack with your pets that are era accurate tricks and work here, however I haven't seen anyone other than myself using them.

[Hemperor]

Going to repost this here because I doubt many got to see it before:

Despite the numerous amount of research brought forward by myself, Kaivan and Derrick (much of it from era articles) displaying how targetable pet commands worked with "all", there are a few persistant "era tamers" that continue to dis-believe.

I have gathered a few posts from within the era of people stating the same things. Any more talk to the contrary will most certainly fall on deaf ears. This just goes to show that memories get tainted after 10 years.

But even the command thing is kind of bugged. I mean commands like "All
follow me" work, but "All kill" doesn't, only the closest pet will actually
attack.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... t+commands#

No, most tamers have got used to the idea that not only does All kill not
work right, but can get you guardwhacked when you get to town.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... t+commands#

the all command
does not work

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... ets+attack#

Quite honestly I could probably turn up 100 more quotes from the postings in these groups, it really isn't worth my time. Just trying to put your pointless efforts to rest.

On a side note, all kill still isn't completely accurate. I've turned up tons of information that using "all kill" would actually queue the command for the next targetable pet command as well, resulting in many guard whacks on transfers etc.

Kaivan was the first one to mention this, I'm sure he has a lot more info and understanding of how it worked.

If you are interested in the TONS of evidence describing how "all kill" worked in era, use the search function...I've had to link it far too many times in the past..this topic should be moved.

[Hicha]

Key 1:
assign target
Key 2:
a kill
wait for target
last target
pause .3
b kill
wait for target
last target
pause .3
c kill
wait for target
last target
pause .3

[archaicsubrosa77]

Couldnt you have your pets "Guard" your attack pet and then just send in your attack pet?

[Hemperor]

Couldnt you have your pets "Guard" your attack pet and then just send in your attack pet?

ding ding ding!

Although doesn't work as well as described by many of the era posts I've read, say you have 3 dragons:

c guard a
b guard a

And then you just use "a kill"... Been doing this for months now.

[Caranthir]

"a kill" "b kill" does work. However, in era there were no razor macros, so if your macro does seem to hang up because of an unresponsive pet, you should be prepared for that.

There are numerous other ways to farm/attack with your pets that are era accurate tricks and work here, however I haven't seen anyone other than myself using them.

Well just take razor out of the equation and make it a simple inUO speech macro. Seems easy enough seeing tamers are already the golden boys