Why cut bandages one at a time while runebooks exist?

[shibbydooda]

If you're going to go as far as cutting fish and bandages one at a time then why not get rid of the other non t2a conveniences? Maybe its just me, but i miss walking into a large brick with the floor covered in runes.

[Mirage]

If you're going to go as far as cutting fish and bandages one at a time then why not get rid of the other non t2a conveniences? Maybe its just me, but i miss walking into a large brick with the floor covered in runes.

It is just you that misses that.

[Hawkins]

If you're going to go as far as cutting fish and bandages one at a time then why not get rid of the other non t2a conveniences? Maybe its just me, but i miss walking into a large brick with the floor covered in runes.

It is just you that misses that.

Is it just me that didn't miss cutting bandies one at a time?

[shibbydooda]

I honestly don't care if i have to cut bandages one at a time. The only problem I have is that the server is going for accuracy and will change cutting, and remove checks, but will not get rid of runebooks simply because they are already so wide spread. if you're going to lose checks and cutting in bulk then you might as well lose runebooks too. the fact that people will bitch is no excuse not to have accuracy.

[Kraarug]

Wow, there is a lot of crying about this change with the bandages. It seems to me that just getting a macro would fix the problem so... GET TO IT.

Let's look at Rune Books for the example they are. You see, they are already in the game. We have hundreds of them and everyone knows they are out of era but they somehow got in. Now there's a problem, how or if to get rid of them.

If you think you are crying now because you have to cut a bandage one at a time, just imagine the utter chaos the removal of rune books would cause. Thousands of hours of game play would be ruined IF a way to remove the rune books was devised.

The fact is, the cat is already out of the bag. Rune books were added (Actually not removed from the default code) long ago and they are here to stay. This is what happens when a feature is added or retained. IT IS NOT A MEANS TO THROW AWAY THE ENTIRE PRIMISE OF THIS SHARD.

It should go to show you why other 'features' the improved or fixed UO will not be added.

Look at Div, AI, IPY, and other countless shards and see why they failed. They all tried to fix UO with one's custom features. This shard is different and the one glaring mis-step that Runebooks prove to be should serve as testiment of why Derrick will no longer mix and match eras.

So, do yourself a favor. Open up the macro tab, and record yourself cutting bandages, stop the recording and change the absolute targets to 'target by type'. Then, just get to playing.

[Arkis]

I've been playing for about 2 weeks now and I just now got the willpower to register because of this:

I honestly don't care if i have to cut bandages one at a time. The only problem I have is that the server is going for accuracy and will change cutting, and remove checks, but will not get rid of runebooks simply because they are already so wide spread. if you're going to lose checks and cutting in bulk then you might as well lose runebooks too. the fact that people will bitch is no excuse not to have accuracy.

I 100% agree with shibbydooda. Seriously. If you're going for accuracy to the point of nitpicking tiny things like this kill off runebooks too. I mean it's just baffling to have to use a razor macro to do this. Simple razor macro? Yeah. But what does it accomplish? Nothing. I honestly don't *feel* anything but annoyance at having to do this.

Don't get me wrong, Derrick seems to know what he's doing. This shard is simply awesome and feels like UO for sure. But there are some things that just seem stupid to even bother changing. Some changes were made to be good. Some changes were even asked for by players back in T2A which greatly improved the game overall. I'm not asking for those changes, i'm really kind of wondering if little inconveniences like this are even worth the time because it doesn't even contribute to the T2A immersion that this shard is supposed to be.

*edit reply to Kraarug*

AI and other such shards failed not because of these "tiny custom" things, but because of the player community, lack of attention from staff, and balancing flaws unrelated to making it more convenient for the player. For the record this isn't even a custom feature. This was changed in 2001.

[Serpent]

Umm bank checks were put in after uo:r and runebooks were in before it. Seems era accurate to me.

Although I personally like the idea of no runebooks.

[Hemperor]

Rune Books Nov 23 1999 1:12PM CST Rune Books
Rune Books are designed to help reduce the total number of runes in the game and to assist rune libraries with the lock down changes. Rune Books will allow players to keep far fewer runes in their bank boxes and houses while still being able to carry a regular rune when travelling outside of town.

well now, don't you all feel stupid

/thread

[shibbydooda]

I know runebooks are not era accurate to this shard. Even Derrick has said so.

[Kraarug]

*edit reply to Kraarug*

AI and other such shards failed not because of these "tiny custom" things, but because of the player community, lack of attention from staff, and balancing flaws unrelated to making it more convenient for the player. For the record this isn't even a custom feature. This was changed in 2001.

I could see why, if there was this much crying about changes, why lack of attention of staff would quickly become an issue.

Please read the main webpage of this shard. It explains a lot.

[Hawkins]

Rune Books Nov 23 1999 1:12PM CST Rune Books
Rune Books are designed to help reduce the total number of runes in the game and to assist rune libraries with the lock down changes. Rune Books will allow players to keep far fewer runes in their bank boxes and houses while still being able to carry a regular rune when travelling outside of town.

well now, don't you all feel stupid

/thread

Actually it's pretty impossible to feel stupid here. Even the fabled T2A accuracy we are trying for is arbitrarily tweaked. We have different standards for Era Accuracy all over the place. For example, the patch note I posted earlier concerning housing is from around the same time as the runebook patch, yet we omit it. We have an entire event system that is anything but Era Accurate. The very existence of these non-accurate systems gives rise to debate over what to include and what to exempt.

I think it's valid to voice concerns about selectively choosing which parts of the Era to emulate. Not everyone is going to agree, and it's just as valid to voice your opinion in opposition as it is to agree with the status quo. No one here is getting out of hand.

Besides, look at how much we are learning.

[Heckran]

I think we've all read the main page, but not everything falls under the category of "crying" when you're seriously affecting a large portion of your player base's game experience. There has to be a point, a threshold, at which administration has to decide whether or not a change was worth its salt.

The only benefit this bandage cutting change has is creating a small market for bandages (read: not much bigger than it was). I'm not complaining per se, it's pretty simple to set up a bandage cutting macro on your alt account while you're farming or macroing on your main(s). I'm just stating that delving into areas like this is going to cause some shellshock in your community, especially one this large. Expect it. When people cry out about it, it's not meant to be ignored completely. Of course you have the few who are just so butthurt they aren't even using reasonable logic. But after so many complaints, I would think Derrick has at least had the thought cross his mind that maybe it was a mistake. Other things about this shard are kind of "picked and chosen" from the span of the era that were more suitable or player friendly. This is one of those changes that could be "picked and chosen" around as well I'm sure.

Just my two cents.

[shibbydooda]

In all honesty this post was not bashing the changes to cutting up bandages. It was bashing the lack of changes to runebooks. I am all for era accuracy.

[Heckran]

The discussion has slightly shifted, but it's still about bandages. And this isn't the only thread about them either.

[Faust]

In all honesty this post was not bashing the changes to cutting up bandages. It was bashing the lack of changes to runebooks. I am all for era accuracy.

Will you please learn to read?

Rune Books Nov 23 1999 1:12PM CST Rune Books
Rune Books are designed to help reduce the total number of runes in the game and to assist rune libraries with the lock down changes. Rune Books will allow players to keep far fewer runes in their bank boxes and houses while still being able to carry a regular rune when travelling outside of town.

Quit saying they are out of era when they are clearly not and proven not to be numerous times in the past.