Young Player System Poll

[Ralina]

Mini-Update Sep 1 1999 7:36PM CST :

Characters that are flagged as criminals or aggressors will no longer be able to instantly log out of the game while in their house or in an inn.

Murderers (reds) who are not flagged as criminals or aggressors will be able to instantly log out of the game while in their house or in an inn.

A bug involving the Reactive Armor Spell will be fixed.

The Reactive Armor spell will be reactivated.

"Young" players will not be able to loot player corpses at all.
"Young" players will not be able to poison another player with a poisoned weapon.
Issues involving veteran accounts and “Young” player status will be fixed.

NPCs will no longer move at a faster than normal rate.

Chests that spawn items will no longer produce spellbooks.

Transferring a pet will no longer result in the pet going wild.



Alchemy Messages Nov 23 1999 1:15PM CST :

Alchemy messages will appear in the lower left of the UO play window of the alchemist. Other players will not see the messages



Now while not everyone agrees with the young player status it is a way to keep the newer players that are coming in and still it only gives them 7 rl days or 40 hours in game orrrrr only to 80 in one skill before they are nolonger a young player also they have the option of bidding out of the status by renouncing it ...

also yes i know the alch message thing is from nov of 99 ....however derrick has responded with "if it doesnt affect any other system i.e. fighting and such " then it would be up for player to have it implemented by vote ....

As i read over many of pages of notes (yes faust ive done my research) i know not everything that is in our patch notes will be put in due to the fact of the player base and the choices they make ...i understand that the pks here love the new people and hunting them down for the 40 gold they have and the bone armour however if we are willing to sit and hear or read how everyone wants the swing times changed and such then why not read and comment on how the young player status as a whole is era accurate dont pick and choose ,if we want it accurate then make it as such

[Hemperor]

To be honest I wouldn't mind a young player system, something to help get new players off their feet, players that no one should be killing anyways.

It is also extremely accurate, majority of this shard is from later patches.

[Faust]

Ralina,

I have not objected to any of these features. I have actually even suggested the young system my self several weeks ago. My philosophy has always been to aim for everything up to the last patch in '99. The only conflict that I have with this philosophy is the older housing system. I would personally add that feature based on my philosophy though. I wouldn't ever object to the young system or alchemy messages going to a system message because of my idealogy.

[Hemperor]

Ralina,

I have not objected to any of these features. I have actually even suggested the young system my self several weeks ago. My philosophy has always been to aim for everything up to the last patch in '99. The only conflict that I have with this philosophy is the older housing system. I would add that feature based on my philosophy though if it was me. I wouldn't ever object to the young system or alchemy messages going to a system message because of my idealogy.

I love the housing system, the new one is bit too trammy.

Young player system would only help our shard grow further

[Xukluk Tuguznal]

As things are now with people hunting Youngins in Britt Cem. I'd definately have to say I'd be pro Young system.

[Faust]

I also love the older housing system.

[Sulta]

I didn't particularly like young status when it went in the first time and that was on a busy shard where I had been pk'd numerous times while new (and of course when I wasn't as new too). I just don't understand why it would be necessary in the first place. The only people that this would (should) help would be people who have limited, if any, understanding of playing UO...because everyone else should know how/where/when to play to keep themselves out of pk's way (or at least ready to re-equipt if they don't stay safe enough).

The best way to learn about UO (especially how to keep safe from pk's/grief players etc...)is to get a UO buddy or three and go learn the game. I mean seriously, the best thing anyone can do for a person new to uo is to actually play the game with them.

[Ralina]

its not about the fact of it being needed .....

its about the fact of it being accurate !....if you dont like it as an individual then renouce your status when a new one is made its giving the newer players a choice .

[Hemperor]

It gives new players a week or however long it is to get their shit together, ENJOY the shard. Why would a noob who got pked 3 times in his first 15 minutes playing, for NO reason whatsoever, continue playing?

By the time they aren't young anymore, sure they will have a lot to learn and get used to still BUT they will have a reason to stay as they have already achieved something.

[Kryptonical]

Just to add on to this, I'm a little over 2 weeks old to uo, I've never played prior to this. I got pk'd literally within the first 30 mins of play...right outside the vesper strip...that was a VERY big deterant to me, due to the fact I had EVERYTHING I had gotta in the first 30 mins of play. Now looking back it was garbage, but those couple things of wool, the fancy shirts I had just made, my starting gold, the new cloths I just bought myself, the horse (which of course they killed for no apparent reason) that some one gave me...All of that stuff very useless to me at this point, but starting out meant a lot to me. the first 30 mins of my time playing uo for the first time was a complete waste of my time. If I had this young player status that would have been EXTREMELY helpful. plus really? if pk's are out their hunting for this kind of garbage, or if they are looking just for the counts? that just seems stupid, no pk is hunting for that sort of loot, also if a pk is just looking for counts, wouldn't you want to be true to your title of pk (Player Killer) and actually kill PLAYERS, not people who have not the slightest clue what they are doing?....just my two cents...Now on the other side of things, this definately was a learning experience to me, and Im not meaning for this to be a rant or complaint by any means, Ive moved on but maybe some of the VERY new players would have taken this differently? who knows, it seems to me that any established player shouldnt have any rejections towards having a young player status in place, unless your the one hunting those new players for those easy counts?

[Faust]

For those that aren't familiar with it...

A Young player can be recognized by the [Young] tag over his head in-game.
A Companion can go to Young players to welcome them into the game.
Youngs can only heal other Young players
Youngs can only sell items like a horse, to other young players.
Ways to lose your young status:
Having over 350 skill points (this includes logging in to Test Center and modifying stats/skills)
Having 5 characters on one account
Using the advanced template to create a character
Playing longer than 40 hours
Saying "I renounce from my young player status"

Once an account loses young status the account can never receive this status ever again. Killing someone with less than 350 skill points is a waste for any respectful PK.

[Sulta]

I've never played anything but pvm. And I have no idea about era accuracy either...stuff went in and out every other week when I played osi so long ago that when things happened isn't something I felt was worth remembering. If it is important to era accuracy then why not; But if it isn't I don't think that it should go in.

I think that it would be much better for extremely new characters to have a guide/uo buddy... someone with knowledge of the game to actually work/play with them...- (not just give gold/equiptment to them). Young status just encourages solo play/learning...when UO is about more than a solo game experience. Yes, getting pk'd sucks...it happened to me within hours of starting to play here...but there are very few experiences here for the new character to see a reason for going out with a group of players they don't know...the chance of being pk'd is one of the few instances that bring people who don't know each other together to play.

[Hemperor]

young status does not encourage solo playing, infact it will do just the opposite..tehy can now meet in groups and still be alive at the gy, instead of 1 shitty pk being able to 1 spell 5 of them at a time.

[Derrick]

Sept 1 is right in the center of T2A, this is something I'd consider accurate either way.
We can put it in or not, make a poll.

[Sulta]

young status does not encourage solo playing, infact it will do just the opposite..tehy can now meet in groups and still be alive at the gy, instead of 1 shitty pk being able to 1 spell 5 of them at a time.

I guess I just wasn't ever lucky enough to see a fledgling group of "young" players giving it to the pks when I previously played UO. If you can promise me this would happen and that I get to watch...I just might change my mind

Maybe the reason I am so dead set against "Young Status" is because it seemed like the first little slip of The Slippery Slope that led to Trammel and thereby ruined UO to me. I am sure that wouldn't happen here, thank god for the guys who run UOsecondage, but I am still against it.

As for what else I was saying...I am still pretty new here...but for the other players who have been around longer than I have and see a need to help out the new players with this status...while waiting for something like this to go in...go out...group up with the newer players and give them some tips. I try and chat to people who are out and about and seem lost...I've seen a few people do this...if more people took time and did something when they saw someone obviously new it would be just as helpful and give more than a solo experience to a new player.