Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

[applejack]

Maybe people are just really impatient I don't know. I've never had a problem buying the regs I need at mage shops. Runebook of every shop and sometimes a little bit of persistence is all you need. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reg vendors making money from people who don't want to bother, but I just don't understand people who think it's the only option.

[Vhyx]

^^^^^^^^^^

Yep, what he said.

It's really not that hard to find reg stocks at the mage shops. Besides, it's not like it was on the OSI shards where there was super-stiff competition for the NPC shop supply.

[Dallaswolf]

So your saying one form of AFk macroing is fine while the other is not? This is not about what OSI did or did not do.. If your going to allow people to do this then why not allow fishermen to do there thing? Or miners to do there's?

[LudKrud]

Because this isnt resource gathering,its resource buying which is totally different.While I dont agree with it its totally legal in the current ruleset.If you have a problem with it join the bazookas and Lightshade in denying the afk buyers the ability to buy.

[Chaos]

Old point on view of the matter but my 2 cent again.

I've been out of the regs game for a long time now well before any of this was an issue. However my thoughts on it are atm it is legal so lets not hate on players that use it in forums etc if you wish to do so do it in game don't buy their regs if they want to use this method and you don't agree. (or what ever means you can kind to fight back)

A few points that are a bit off .. as for its hardly worth doing it .. I never had this problem I some times felt this way about root cause I sold it dirt cheap as a selling point, but never did I NOT make gold (unless a friend or I was drunk doing bad math).

As for Promoting your vendor daily. This is wrong unless you mean daily restocks. check my post history very little post about my regs the ones you will find are mostly plugs for my sig. not really my regs. However I was VERY successful by restocking regs daily, to more regs then had been being bought a day (I tired to restock at least once a day at the same time a day so people always knew were and when to find as many of any regs they wanted)

Having @ss tons of money tied up. This is true. when I started to get out of regs (to take some time off after years of daily restocks) my cash out after selling off all my back stock of regs was some were around 5mill. (keep in mind that was all back stock for daily restocks of several vendors ranging from sells of 20k to 100k+ reg a day. and without buying more I would start to run out of some thing in a few days.)

Shitting on Customers. This is always bad. You can not stop them from finding regs on their own. Simple fact no one on shard has the gold to keep up a full world buy for any amount of time. So you are much better off to make them feel good about buying regs from you. After all what your offering is a service .. For a small fee you'll make sure they can get any regs they want any time. This also goes back to daily restocks if they check your vendor and its empty they may as well start checking NPC's first cause they are cheaper and more likely to have the regs. However I was also never and asshole when buying regs .. if some one keep recalling in and they looked noobie and I was buying store out .. I would ask want they needed and tell them shop is theirs this or next round and tell them when to show back up. EDIT: Also gave away a lot of regs to new noob chars that just needed a few regs and would be a waste of time to wait for them to buy them first .. say 50 recall regs .. and told them of my shop to which most were customers once they got a foot hold in world.

Any ways I've been out of loop for awhile .. but I can only think some of the same things hold true now as then.

[Light Shade]

However I was also never and asshole when buying regs .. if some one keep recalling in and they looked noobie and I was buying store out .. I would ask want they needed and tell them shop is theirs this or next round and tell them when to show back up. EDIT: Also gave away a lot of regs to new noob chars that just needed a few regs and would be a waste of time to wait for them to buy them first .. say 50 recall regs .. and told them of my shop to which most were customers once they got a foot hold in world.

Herein lies the difference between an upstanding player like Chaos, and the "others". I would buy reagents from Chaos any day of the week because I know for a fact that what he said here is absolutely true. He was never greedy. He would stop and let anyone buy regs if he thought that he was getting in the way of them doing so.

These AFK reagent buyers are the complete opposite of this, sadly.

Come back to the reagents game Chaos, its lacking some class that you always provided.

Regardless of anything, I would like to thank you for always being a good and helpful player that was never conceited or condescending in any manner. You were always a class act and a lot of people could take a lesson from you.

-L/S

[Chaos]

Thank You L/S

Heart = warmed

Side note.. I have not forgotten about UOSA, I did complete my org. quest and had come back to UOSA slowly when life side tracked me with another project. I'm now trying to help build a website with a friend ( http://www.weaverserviceandsupply.com {if anyone checks site keep in mind its still work in progress and we do not plan to stay with the shitty hosting company that has limited our data vastly}) which if we can get it set up right and get all the info and pics etc that we need then it could one day supply a job for me that would allow me A LOT more time for UOSA.

[Johnnylittle]

I disapprove of this

[Telamon]

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[Vhyx]

I'll still not be a lazy person and buy my regs from the NPC's.

[ariok]

I have no problem with the AFK reg buyers. I like their prices. Buying from NPC's in large quantities is a hassle. Just spend the extra .5 gold. Time = Money. Player Vendors vs NPCs.... Player Vendors FTW.

With that said

It does suck when your in Delucia and need black pearl but its been bought out by a bot. It's a pain in the arse to run to the old lands to restock.

[Chaos]

Thank You L/S
Heart = warmed

The irony of this comment is that this whole thread was started because of Ivy's AFK reg buying in the Delucia shops. And yet who is the reg vendor at Chaos's Bank n Buy?? Oh Wait it's Ivy lol. So pat Chaos on the back all you like Lightshade, but its Chaos who allowed Ivy to setup shop and led to the macro buying of regs on such a grand scale in the first place.

So the next time you see Slave orVanillamacro buying/selling items in mage shops around Britiania, you can thank Chaos for sponsoring Ivy.

Of course if you approve of buying regs for only .5 over cost, then you really can't be all that mad about afk reg buyers. Ivy may buy the regs AFK, but the dude sells them cheap.

Tela You know me. I have very little to do with uosa atm and what time I do have for it I try and spend in support areas. I don't know what is going on but this is the first I've heard being bad about Ivy's shop. I at first when retiring again left that house again in stealthmodes hands, he had recently came back and asked me about it. When he again quit and house went empty I looked for some one to do it and had the gold/time/willingness to do daily stocks and do their best to not run out of anything. I was left with few known choices that panned out with back ground checks etc and asked to do it. Ivy seemed a good fit for what I wanted for the bank n buy AND she wanted less per reg then I every did. And so far I've only heard and seen good things people tell me their are always regs there when I go and check its stocked. PM me if we need to talk further, I hope you would know me well enough to PM me before posting neg. stuff about me.

TY
Chaos

[Inda]

Yea it's lame but Derrick does have a point...

Also I can't think of many reg shops where they can use restock agents and bank their regs while afk. If you see it any where else chances are a couple of explosion potions and some determination could be quite profitable

[Gregor De Gar]

Ya buying regs is really not gathering. When buying regs, you get out whatever you invest. Sure, you can sell them for more, but that depends upon plauers' willingness to buy them. Furthermore, you arent able to offer them for sale at LESS than npc price. Logs, ore, and wool are not the same. You can invest a tiny amount of gold (22 gold for 2 recall) and come back with a far greater amount of resources. Unlike reagents, these other resources can be offered at below npc prices while still turning a hefty profit.

[Milliband]

Whilst ideologically I think it is on par with fishing/mining, the margin is much smaller. With only 0.05/reg profit and when adding on vendor fees for stocking 500k+ worth of regs you do see a really diminishing return. One other point to be made is a lot of people are now doing this, and you can buy regs for 0.04/reg in the yew ex scam patio. Increasing competition in the market will drive the price down maybe as low as 0.02/reg in the future.

Opportunity cost is important to consider as well, less than 5k of each reg and its better too buy them from ivy & co, greater than that and its worth doing the work your self.