PK - Someone please explain

[iamreallysquall]

While I would agree that the risk to reward ratio of killing newbies in bone armour is debatable, player killers are extremely high risk characters. It is no surprise that they run around in large-ish groups and only prey on relatively defenseless characters to minimise the risk that they face.

Aside from PvMing on a character that is able to actually fight back (a PvP character), the only thing you can do to minimise risk to yourself is stock and prepare yourself better. Carry lots of trapped pouches and potions, invest in some invisibilty or magic reflect items aswell as greater heal wands, find quieter places to hunt, join a guild, hunt in groups, make a recall macro (and use it as soon as you see red names) and make sure you have defensive skills such as wrestling and/or magic resist. All of these will increase your chance of survival massively.

Good luck.

all very good advice don't want to get caught with 0 resist(way to many people think its safe to farm with 0 resist 0 wrestle ) and that mana vampire drains you to zero mana leaving you helpless for the solo pk to prey on you

[jamison]

Go play a server with trammel, maybe you'll be happier there?

PVP is a big part of the game. Many people, myself included, only play to fight people. Why go to the graveyard and chase/be chased until someone recalls, when you can just recall to popular farming spots and attack whoever is there?

If you can't deal with getting killed, losing loot, etc, you shouldn't play this game. You should be playing a game where you keep all your loot when you die and you get 2 min ghost period to heal up and leave the area, whatever.

Just take getting pk'd as a challenge to get better. Don't come on to the forums crying about getting ganked and people not expressing their desires before attacking you.

Do you really expect PKs to enter an area, say "Hail Good Sir! My intentions are to kill you maliciously and loot your corpse. Do you consent to this engagement of battle?"? I'm pretty sure this would completely defeat the purpose of PKing and I think 99% of the players would press the recall button and leave.

PKing is fun to some people and there's a risk and reward to it. Nothing about being a dick, but it's a game. Learn to get better, learn to farm with friends, learn to outsmart people. Its pretty simple and if you can't handle it, then maybe this isn't the game/server for you.

Happy Travels!
~Chevy Chase/Roddy Piper/Zoloff

[Ash]

I always thought that the best thing a newbie can do to start off is to farm resources and sell them. Mine some ingots and there are people always willing to pay good gold for it.

You can do that to make a decent bank roll and fund your Mage or warrior. Overtime as you skills increase it will not only be easier to farm and run/hide/kill pks but you won't feel so deflated when you get pk and lose all the gold you farmed as a noob to develop your character.

I do not pk but I will defend myself and most of the time die trying, but it is the most suspenseful feeling that UO offers. Your life can be in danger at any minute.

[iamreallysquall]

I always thought that the best thing a newbie can do to start off is to farm resources and sell them. Mine some ingots and there are people always willing to pay good gold for it.

You can do that to make a decent bank roll and fund your Mage or warrior. Overtime as you skills increase it will not only be easier to farm and run/hide/kill pks but you won't feel so deflated when you get pk and lose all the gold you farmed as a noob to develop your character.

I do not pk but I will defend myself and most of the time die trying, but it is the most suspenseful feeling that UO offers. Your life can be in danger at any minute.

50 lumberjack 50 bowcrafting noob will get you 44k in town in a day thats either a small house or money to macro magery on a bard (that can be gming music provoke and eval and getting decent stats while you do this)

[Malaikat]

Today I wanted to play tetris so I loaded it up and played it. I was happy.

Yesterday I wanted to play solitaire, but I loaded tetris instead. I was pissed that tetris is not solitaire and so I'm ranting about it here.

[jamison]

Today I wanted to play tetris so I loaded it up and played it. I was happy.

Yesterday I wanted to play solitaire, but I loaded tetris instead. I was pissed that tetris is not solitaire and so I'm ranting about it here.

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[kwhiz73]

yew liches... this person began attacking me.... seemed awful similar to the poster...deserved to be pked...

I started new on this shard not so long ago and have managed to become 100% self sufficient with absolutely no help from anyone. There is no reason you can't do the same, and I surely don't buy the fact that pks run new players off the shard. If that's the case, those particular new players would be leaving for other reasons anyhow.

Wow. Talk about making assumptions. This couldn't be farther from my experience. I haven't attacked anyone, including the two reds who chased me down.

As far as being self-sufficient. I've worked hard during my time so far to not only do this but go above and beyond. I have tried to make friends and reach out to others, especially obviously new players. When I see someone standing outside an entrance point with newbie clothes & equipment, no karma/fame title I ask them if they are new or a 2nd char. It's been my routine to give them a couple of k and 500 fishsteaks and ask if they need anything, with the notable exception of one guy who used to play on Siege Perilious. To him, I gave 5k because that fact alone signified that he is an advanced player who will appreciate the help and put it to good use.

Terrific for you that you made it here with no help from anyone. I read the Wiki and the forum but still made some critical errors on my char templets. Information and clarification was what I needed most. Certain ppl went out of their way to help me with that, with money, with a full spell book...I like to do the same for others.

Being away from UO for 8 years, I remembered generalties but few specifics. I spent the first few hours bunny bashing for food, cuz I remembered that my char needed to be well-fed for gain, then burned it all up. Someone finally gave me some food and I could relax enough to make a fisherman mule. Duh!

I saw someone with a "scholar" title and asked if they could make some scrolls cuz I needed to fill a spell book. Another person standing there said, "I just buy the full ones off a vendor". At that point I didn't have 4k to buy a spellbook, so he gated me, bought one and gave it to me. Even he said, "yea, we forget how tough it can be starting out". I think a lot of vets here have lost touch with how tough it can be to enter this game, get all the details down and progress well.

I see ppl macroing add'tl chars and they seem to have all the answers/info/techniques needed to do anything they want in this game and quickly. It is a steep learning curve for some of us. How judgmental of you to not only question my attitude, but degrade me further as someone too lame to not need assistance. Isn't that what this very forum is for? Once again, a contradiction of "come here, ask for help", but when I do you criticize me without knowing anything except what you've read here and pronounce me deserving of being PK'd.

You are awfully touchy. I didn't mean anything other than actual name similarities with the person I ran into the other day. Sorry if it came across as an attack on you personally--not intended. My point was that some people get pked for a reason, and my second point was that some get pked for no reason. It's all dependent on what the person doing the killing feels like. Sorry I didn't break it down more.


And....I interpreted your post as not asking for assistance, but asking for a POV on why this happens--err so I thought. I wasn't really questioning your attitute personally--but more the newer players you claim are being run off the shard due to being pked. I didn't mean to presume you weren't self sufficient and all that, or unkind, or anything of the sort. I was merely responding to the same post (albiet a more polite one than usual) that we've all seen a million times. These same complaints---strike that---concerns were what contributed to trammel in the first place and still leave a bad taste in my mouth.

[riant]

You might even find some friends of the red-hue.

As I have in my relatively short time here. Jason Kid is a decent example. I'm sure he's made some enemies, he is red after all, but he's a pretty decent guy and I've stayed put where I'm farming and had a convo with him when he came in.

One of my greatest strengths and weaknesses, is the habit of saying 'Hail' and 'How fare thee' to everyone. The best part is that they can't hear the fear in my voice (when they're red), through text. Surprisingly enough, this has resulted in a decent conversation with some reds (certainly not most though).

This totally resonates. My biggest issue with the whole thing is how much of a total suck-up, a$$ kisser I am. It's not that I got killed, it's that they killed me and didn't want to be friends! Waaahhh! I really did have red friends on GL and thought I could make friends with anyone, wearing my femaleness along with my heart on my digital sleeve. Grand Master of Lameness.

You mentioned icivility killed you. Let me tell you the little I know about him. He's actually not a bad guy. Even though my toon's are generally enemies with his toons, I once pretended to be AFK in a dungeon, and when he got no response from me, he actually invis'd me. Another time a group of us killed him (he actually just got stuck on an unlucky tile) and he was on ventrilo at the time (a free app that is popular with the server which we can all use to talk to each other in chat rooms) and was very cool and laid back about it.

You have to understand one thing about being red, and maybe you won't be as offended. When you are red, especially when you are with a group, you don't have time to discuss "should we kill this person or not." If you do that, the person will escape. Also understand that a good percentage of the time, the player hits their recall button and gets away, so you need to act and act fast. If they knew how newbie you were going in, I bet these dudes would give you a pass.

Another red icivility runs with (who might have been the other red who attacked you) is a semi-goof-ball, but a well known player on the server (I won't mention names). This dude can be a pretty heartless red, but he also newbied me up when I was starting out. He gave me a town rune-book and some other stuff. Granted, he still acts like a clown sometimes but we love him for it.

I think the main thing that it comes down to is that you're new, so you don't have a social network yet (although you've pretty much "gm'd" that with this post), so players don't know you. If you seem non-newbie enough to have gold and regs (and if you are hunting liches, you are non-newbie enough to have gold and regs) they are going to err on the side of caution and just kill you, but 95% of the time, if a red knows you are as new as you say you are, they won't waste a count on you (you know that every time a red kills you, that's 8 hours he has to stay as a ghost if he dies). Once you are less new, this "goodwill" factor will increase and I think you will experience more of that "hanging-out-with-reds" groupie thing you had on GL.

[SJane3384]

What I take depends on my need. Gold and refs are always taken, but the rest completely depends on if it looks interesting. I will say that if I run into someone I killed and they're not an idiot, they tend to get at least some of their stuff back.

If the situation lends it, I either rez and leave recall stuff or gate em to towns.

Also my pks a tinker, and tinker based kills are ALWAYS hilarious

i miss trammel?

This thread bored me after the first page, but this made me laugh really hard. From what I read on said page, that pretty much sums it up.

Make friends, hunt in groups, stop dying. The end.

[riant]

What I take depends on my need. Gold and refs are always taken, but the rest completely depends on if it looks interesting. I will say that if I run into someone I killed and they're not an idiot, they tend to get at least some of their stuff back.

If the situation lends it, I either rez and leave recall stuff or gate em to towns.

Also my pks a tinker, and tinker based kills are ALWAYS hilarious

i miss trammel?

This thread bored me after the first page, but this made me laugh really hard. From what I read on said page, that pretty much sums it up.

Make friends, hunt in groups, stop dying. The end.

Little tedious yes and lot of repetitive statements, but I think this was a modern version of the "Bloody Ethics: It's not a game, it's a world" (sticky post in this forum) and it's actually pretty interesting that it still all applies today. There's just something philosophically interesting about it all.

[Ahntara]

"...something philosophically interesting about it all."

I agree. Didn't mean to bore anyone, but then I'm new (back) and haven't had this discussion like many of you dozens of times.

I watched the responses last night, and got over myself. No one needs to share my viewpoint, identify and coddle my feelings, judge me for not being like them or condemn me for not being at the level of experience and knowledge they are at. But I don't need to do that to others either. Sometimes I just need to get my head out of dark places.

I've gotten some good advice here and I intend to take it. What I won't be doing is working up a red or an anti-PK. I don't understand the testoserone-fueled, competitive need some have to play that way and never will. No matter what happens, I'm gonna be myself and interact with others in the way that works for me.

Speaking of that...helped a new player place a house on Glow. The offer still stands that I made in the newbie forum to help anyone else. Lots of ppl responding here have been vets, but if you know of anyone...

[Brymstone]

Pking is alot like fishing. Sometimes I get a nice big fish (loaded with loot) and I keep 'em. Sometimes I get a little fish (noob with nothing worth a shit) and I throw 'em back (i.e. res them and give them back their stuff).

I don't know why all the fish are complaining? If a fish is old and wise enough to get big then he should know the fisherman is out there looking for him and should also know that eventually even a big, old, wise fish will get caught. If a little fish gets caught and is thrown back he has an opportunity to learn and become wiser so as to one day become a BIG fish.

It's a game so lighten up, good or bad it's as close to the old UO anybody is gonna get without getting ahold of the original source code and ALL the patches, so enjoy.

[Ash]

Pking is alot like fishing. Sometimes I get a nice big fish (loaded with loot) and I keep 'em. Sometimes I get a little fish (noob with nothing worth a shit) and I throw 'em back (i.e. res them and give them back their stuff).

I don't know why all the fish are complaining? If a fish is old and wise enough to get big then he should know the fisherman is out there looking for him and should also know that eventually even a big, old, wise fish will get caught. If a little fish gets caught and is thrown back he has an opportunity to learn and become wiser so as to one day become a BIG fish.

It's a game so lighten up, good or bad it's as close to the old UO anybody is gonna get without getting ahold of the original source code and ALL the patches, so enjoy.

That is a pretty good analogy

[Sandro]

Pking is alot like fishing. Sometimes I get a nice big fish (loaded with loot) and I keep 'em. Sometimes I get a little fish (noob with nothing worth a shit) and I throw 'em back (i.e. res them and give them back their stuff).

I don't know why all the fish are complaining? If a fish is old and wise enough to get big then he should know the fisherman is out there looking for him and should also know that eventually even a big, old, wise fish will get caught. If a little fish gets caught and is thrown back he has an opportunity to learn and become wiser so as to one day become a BIG fish.

It's a game so lighten up, good or bad it's as close to the old UO anybody is gonna get without getting ahold of the original source code and ALL the patches, so enjoy.

Hey I found a good post amongst all this garbage..

[Ahntara]

Why read it? Why not go to another thread or forum? Take it like a man. Think of it like fishing or Tetris. It's one thread on a forum, lighten up. Make some friends who care about your opinion. Perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere? If you can't handle it, this isn't the thread for you.

All rhetorical. No additional garbage needed.