want to learn pvp...

[Sandro]

Aside from all the bickering, I think this guy just wants to know the basics.

What I am trying to say is not to listen to Psilo for any pvp related questions/advice.

He just tries to impose his view of PvP (and frustration) on other players, which is rather sad imo.

[Spitfire]

ive watched you spam mini heal and burn through 90 mana on several occasions...

What's an effective way to heal after you get dumped/hally wacked? Serious question, in the spirit of the OP.

[mkgref]

I'd like to point to the the OP, that although on the surface this post seems off-topic, it does in fact teach you how to PvP.

The essential ingredients are:
- HallyMage
- good ping
- very small penis

Then in order to successfully PvP you:
- log in
- Go to A/B
--A.) find 3 likeminded friends, go to <insert high-spawn area> and gank the people there who are preoccupied / not on a character built to PvP or,
--B.) fight in a 10x10 box, lose to one of the same 2-3 people every time, return to message board and have a fight (excuses) about who died how and why they didn't r0x0r pwn roflcopter you
- go to : http://i.imgur.com/RyWMF.jpg then look in the mirror
- repeat

/sarcasm (sort of...)

[Psilo]

Aside from all the bickering, I think this guy just wants to know the basics.

What I am trying to say is not to listen to Psilo for any pvp related questions/advice.

He just tries to impose his view of PvP (and frustration) on other players, which is rather sad imo.

I was there in 1999, you weren't. You fight like a dexer by choice, I don't.

Like I said there's many that agree and they aren't on this server anymore

You got me within kill shot range once within 5 fights. I got you within kill shot range at least 20 times. And you bring up the ONE time you got me within kill shot range. Wow. You lose because you have zero strategy and constantly try to randomly release explosion ebolt/double ebolt. Those combos simply do not work against any player with an idea of how PvP works.

You have no idea how pvp works or else you'd end the fight faster. It took you forever to kill "someone with no strategy" cause like Sandro most of your damage comes from a 50% chance to hit.

Hally spam fights are all about ping, if you don't think so then you're just brainwashed by bad RUNUO mechanics lol.

We have almost no pvp community here, it's like a couple of people. You guys are spending too much time defending your shitty pvp tactics, just accept the fact that hally spamming is boring to watch and takes no skill and is 100% ping.

Dexer fights are 100% ping, hally spam mages are no different newbies. You put UO players to shame, damn....

[Psilo]

I'd like to point to the the OP, that although on the surface this post seems off-topic, it does in fact teach you how to PvP.

The essential ingredients are:
- HallyMage
- good ping
- very small penis

Then in order to successfully PvP you:
- log in
- Go to A/B
--A.) find 3 likeminded friends, go to <insert high-spawn area> and gank the people there who are preoccupied / not on a character built to PvP or,
--B.) fight in a 10x10 box, lose to one of the same 2-3 people every time, return to message board and have a fight (excuses) about who died how and why they didn't r0x0r pwn roflcopter you
- go to : http://i.imgur.com/RyWMF.jpg then look in the mirror
- repeat

/sarcasm (sort of...)

This post is pretty damn accurate, sarcasm or not

[Ragancy]

I will agree with Psilo on some points. Back on LS in 99 you didn't see the same monotony and one-dimensional hally cycling that you do here. To be honest, it was more interesting to watch duels.

Today, I do think that ping and luck (dice rolls) have a lot to do with it. Most people in 99 didn't have 40ms ping so couldn't take advantage of the hally cycle like we do today. There were some who did, and they dominated.

You see the same people win the tournaments because they've mastered the hally timer, don't get punches stolen, and maintain max stamina. That combined with mana management is how you duel on this shard. This is what people call 'skill'.

It's just evolved to what works. With today's low ping, the hally cycle is just better at killing than any other means in a duel environment (outside of pots n magic weaps). It's boring, but it works.

Good luck trying to convince the pvp community on this shard to do something that's not as effective at pvp.

[Psilo]

It's just evolved to what works. With today's low ping, the hally cycle is just better at killing than any other means in a duel environment (outside of pots n magic weaps). It's boring, but it works.

Good luck trying to convince the pvp community on this shard to do something that's not as effective at pvp.

It IS effective though, people just don't try it out.

If people would meditate more and not hally spam so much then that leaves plenty of room for trying to "time spell combos". There's tons of spell combinations that work with the weapon and none of them are being used by hally spammers who lack creativity.

The main problem is no one meditates. I remember back in 1999 during duels people would stand still and have moments of meditation all the time. Then the fight would pick up again and be exciting.

Duels right now are about as exciting as a dexer fight, that's why I am spending so much time trying to get through to this small pvp community who have become brainwashed by RUNUO mechanics and watching Sandro at the tourney do his predictable pvp stunts.

And to prove that the 1999 mage style works, look at my screenshot thread in trash talk forum called "Orphik's PVP Adventures". Look how many 1v1, 2v1, 3v1, even a 5v1 I've won using tactics that I learned in 1999.

The key to pvping without hally spam is to use equip delays, spell cast delays to your advantage. These delays are vital to getting your opponent in a "rut" and then taking the advantage of fact that they want to equip their hally all the time. I've killed countless people by hardly doing anything but casting a few spells in the right place and using my hally as a finisher. If I missed and failed, no problem. I will meditate. The problem occurs when I'm facing hally spammers, then I have to run my ass in circles getting the mana back that I used on a combo that failed. This wouldn't be such a problem if people understood that hally spamming makes fights take longer and be more tedious.

I get compliments often about the way I pvp actually, not to brag but it's true. People are getting tired of the same crap, they want less predictable pvp and more excitement.

No one spoke about how great dexer fights were, hally spam pvp is not any more exciting than that. Mage pvp is where it's at. Meditate!

[mkgref]

To a serious question: would Archery/Parrying be an effective combo instead of Swords/Tactics for a tourney character?

The idea would be to cycle with a heavy xbow just like you do with a hally, but during off cycles and when not casting you equip the shield... make sure that's when you get hit with the other person's hally? With GM wrestling and no weapon in hand you still maintain them missing 50% of the time.

By constantly running (you don't want to be in melee range) the goal would be to reduce the number of hally hit opportunities your opponent has


...or is that simply not possible given the size of the dueling space?

[Psilo]

To a serious question: would Archery/Parrying be an effective combo instead of Swords/Tactics for a tourney character?

The idea would be to cycle with a heavy xbow just like you do with a hally, but during off cycles and when not casting you equip the shield... make sure that's when you get hit with the other person's hally? With GM wrestling and no weapon in hand you still maintain them missing 50% of the time.

By constantly running (you don't want to be in melee range) the goal would be to reduce the number of hally hit opportunities your opponent has


...or is that simply not possible given the size of the dueling space?

In a duel space it's pretty hard, you better have a good ping or you won't have a chance vs low ping hally spammers. They can easily cut off an archer who has a higher ping.

And also, archery has a delay so I'm not sure how it would work out.

On the field though, archery aint bad and is quite good in group pvp. The field is more balanced anyway, so just do field pvp.

[mkgref]

You'd have to time your archery "stop to shoot" for when they are casting

[Panthor the Hated]

ive watched you spam mini heal and burn through 90 mana on several occasions...

What's an effective way to heal after you get dumped/hally wacked? Serious question, in the spirit of the OP.

It's not real complicated, I almost always hit miniheal first and see if my opponent loads a disrupt spell. Some people only cast harm to scare you out of using gheal but they can't time it to actually disrupt you, so watch people fight and see who is bluffing. Use gheal as often as you can if you're 60% or lower (imo). Spamming mini might save your life for a minute or so but you'll be out of mana so fast that a second/third combo will probably be more than you can heal out of.

Continuously cause some damage (generally with your hally) even when you're being dumped on. If you get stuck playing defensively and constantly healing yourself while they have all the mana in the world to keep your health low then the fight is lost.

[Psilo]

ive watched you spam mini heal and burn through 90 mana on several occasions...

What's an effective way to heal after you get dumped/hally wacked? Serious question, in the spirit of the OP.

It's not real complicated, I almost always hit miniheal first and see if my opponent loads a disrupt spell. Some people only cast harm to scare you out of using gheal but they can't time it to actually disrupt you, so watch people fight and see who is bluffing. Use gheal as often as you can if you're 60% or lower (imo). Spamming mini might save your life for a minute or so but you'll be out of mana so fast that a second/third combo will probably be more than you can heal out of.

Continuously cause some damage (generally with your hally) even when you're being dumped on. If you get stuck playing defensively and constantly healing yourself while they have all the mana in the world to keep your health low then the fight is lost.

Oh my gord, decent advice from Jaguar the guy who flames random players in-game!

[Sandro]

How many times have you killed a skilled opponent with your explosion/ebolt + hally combo?

Zero

Your opponent would have to be blind not to see this coming and not counter it.

This isn't 1999, as much as you want it to be, sorry. Stop living in the past.

[Psilo]

How many times have you killed a skilled opponent with your explosion/ebolt + hally combo?

Zero

Your opponent would have to be blind not to see this coming and not counter it.

This isn't 1999, as much as you want it to be, sorry. Stop living in the past.

HI IM MIKE, beatingyou, TJ, Proto(or was it Seifer?). TJ, beatingyou, and HI IM MIKE are especially skilled so yea/

All were killed with full mana, as much mana as they wanted actually. I don't need to spam my hally because I know how to play a mage. Not saying my strategy is perfect, indeed next to high ping and risking my mana I can get in situations where I have no mana and can't recover. It's the risk I take though, I play for fun not just to win every match. Hally spam is too much of a snore for me. Call me old school or a liver in the past, I loved 1999 pvp more it was fun.

Just cause you don't know how to time spells for the kill doesn't mean you gotta make assumptions about how I kill people. Zero? Try many. Do you think I'd be able to kill peoplke 1v2, 1v3, 1v5 without knowing how to use spells combos properly? Spell combos work you just gotta risk alittle mana and try, playing too defensively with hally/harm/heals makes the fight take too long.

[goldendog]

Just wanted to point out ping certainly helps, but the gent Psilo forfeited to because of his (effective) hally spamming plays with a 200+ping as far as I know...So, certainly not necessary to have a good ping.