Bet with Corr

[Pro]

Once again Tj has made himself look like a fool.

[Stonewilled]

Can you please tell me what the advantage of using an invuln kite shield is, over using a store bought buckler...

I thought that the AR from the shield was applied to every other hit that was not parried; I believe at some point in the game's history this is the way it worked. Excuse me, I'm still learning this era's mechanics; I haven't been here long (Couple Months).

[Downs]

If im not mistaken, when you take a swing the mechanic first roll to see if you land a hit and then check for parry. You can't parry on a missed hit so the core mechanic of your bet is wrong. Hit is checked and if the hit is sucessful parry is checked.

Pay up

[Derrick]

I hate to weigh in on this as it's a bet between players but my comments on this were invoked and i probably ought to respond. Seems like the argument is more of terminology than a clear cut right or wrong. Technically, parry doesn't have an effect on hit or miss, parry is only checked on a "hit". However i can see how someone would considered a parried blow a miss; for most effective purposes it is.

[Downs]

So derrick just confirmed that i have ultimate UO knowledge, son

[Panthor the Hated]

it wasnt a real bet anyways corr refused to accept payment

[Mikel123]

I hate to weigh in on this as it's a bet between players but my comments on this were invoked and i probably ought to respond. Seems like the argument is more of terminology than a clear cut right or wrong. Technically, parry doesn't have an effect on hit or miss, parry is only checked on a "hit". However i can see how someone would considered a parried blow a miss; for most effective purposes it is.

Only if you have a high parry skill and a high AR shield and you block all of the damage of the hit. Which doesn't happen often... if it did, parry would actually be a good skill

[IM FKING CRAZY]

However i can see how someone would considered a parried blow a miss; for most effective purposes it is.

Except that its not. You are still getting hit. It will still make your fingers slip if you have a bandage going, and if you could cast with virtue shields equipped here(not sure as Im just coming back after a long break), you will still get interrupted.

It is still a hit, its just applying a ton of AR to the hit, via the shield.

[SighelmofWyrmgard]

A succinct overview of all relevant mechanics:

• 1) A successful hit against a character-with-shield-equipped makes a Parrying skill-call (NB: this is the only manner in which a Parrying skill-call is ever made, which answers the original question all by itself: the successful hit has already generated base damage);
• 2) If the Parrying skill-call returns success, a damage-reduction is applied to the hit, according to the AR of the shield;
• 3) All damage remaining is applied to the target, as per normal procedure: hit location is determined, and another damage-reduction is performed based on AR of armor;
• 4) Remaining base-damage is halved (combat procedure order of operations), and received by the target.

So, as many have said, Parrying does not affect hitting/missing; it merely has the possibility of injecting an additional damage reduction in the instance of a hit. The best way to consider Parry is as a means of occasonally inserting a second (high-AR, or don't bother) piece of armor against a weapon hit.

I'll add, since people are occasionally confused also by this: the values of your display AR are merely a reflection of your aggregate AR, including chance of Parry and the effect of Parry.

SS