Tournament Discrepensies

[venox]

because its unfair is not a ligit argument.
"oh its unfair mages get to cast spells, or dexxer get to hit me with weapons", its the same argument/principle...

no one is asking for DP.
the whole point behind the "pro" argument, is the character is sacrificing something else on the template and thus should be allowed a lvl of poison. there exist ways around poison...
if your a mage just heal through it.
if your a med warrior, drop a cure just before you heal.

everyone keeps saying you cant win with just one type of damage alone. and thus everyone puts magery and melee on a template, yet another skill which adds an alternative that is t2a ligit is not viable? it doesnt make sense.

[BMOORE1974]

Its plain to see that the ppl who keep avoiding / side-step / refuse to answer the question are those who know that they wont have an un-fair advantage anymore if the poisoning skill is to be allowed.... that being said lets all admit that by NOT addressing the true question which i'll state (( WHY IS A MAGE ALLOWED TO USE POISONING BUT ANOTHER CANT USE THERE POISONING SKILL TO POISON ???? ))) they are essentitly admiting that it IS un-fair and they just want to cloud the issue as long as they can, so they can soak up as many trophys as they can before the powers that be shut there gravy train down.... and belive me the time is coming derrick has already said you dexxer's make a vaild point so let them talk stupid and of the true subject all they want

[Derrick]

I doubt this would me implemented and be related to the poisoning skill, I think the valid question is should poisoned weapons be allowed to work in tournaments. This is opinion, but I think the point made about why not let alchemists use pots plays fairly into the argument if the question is whether to limit poisoned blades only to poisoners.

[BMOORE1974]

Derrick,

you just pissed a whole bunch of ppl off ( not that it matters ) everyone who has posted is sitting there wandering where you'll go with this or just leave it alone.... personaly i'm not good at PvP so it makes me no differance i stick to the CTF's and the surivial games..... but it sure is enteraining watching the dexxer's & mages fight about un-fairness.... which is my point, for the most part everyone agrees that the goal of the staff's hard work to keep the era accurate is best for the shard, so that being said everyone should embrace all the situations where one template runs the show and in another situation it will be a totaly different template that will own the one who would win before. i know someone will say it all started about the event fairness ok fine here's your answer.... if you get to make it MORE FAIR in PvP turny's then mages will ask to make it more fair in other events where dexxer's are more dominating. where will it ever end maybe a event where anything and everythings allowed... ohhh we do have that its called leave the town, but maybe its all about trophys Derrick, i say take out the trophys so we can all stop this petty bitching.

[BMOORE1974]

I'M STARTING TO REALLY HATE TROPHY HUNTERS

[Flash Hardstar]

Well Derrick,

Most of the point of this thread has been throwin in so many different directions. I was aruging the rules of someof the games and how unrealistically unfaiir they are so some classes. It's clear mages eat dexers alive like ants in 1v1 tourney and MOST of the problem is that they can cancel the heal for up to 40 seconds pretty much at their will

If you think in 1v1 somebody with 100 healing, 100 anat, and 50 magery should be able to kill a 6X gm dexer, thats just rediculous. BMOORE made a good, point with everyone just pushing thsi thread so far its off topic and gets ignored.

Is there any way you can cancel the mages capability of poisoning, since it semms pretty clear mages don't want poison allowed? After 10 pages of this post anyone argueing against this would be hippocritcal. They don't want the dexers to have it cause its so anti fair, anti 1v1 pvp, then get rid of it. This is a wonderful fix and dexers wouldn't have much to argue about, even if you wouldn't let them have poisoned weapons. The argument was about the fairty of tourney rules, not t2a accuracy and the 50 other off topic issues discussed...?

With the survival game, it seems near unanimus it should be changed to "bard out" not survival. This is even more unfair than the 1v1 tourneys because any class except a bard WILL NOT WIN. IE, if you enter with any skill in the game, hell even taming, you won't beat a bard.

[Derrick]

Trying to even up the rules to make this event even ground for all builds is going to be quite difficult.
It's a very controlled environment and the rules are set as much to make it somewhat fair as it is to make it entertaining and fun.

I think an alternatively good solution is to invent another event type, of have a more dexer oriented tournament in which poisoning would be allowed.

One of the big issues it we don't want to have events running at every hour of the day on the shard, which is more likely going to be the case if we increase the varieties of styles of these events.

I'm not at all opposed to creating another tourney style though. Give me the proposed rules.

[BMOORE1974]

Flash,

I was with you, I do agree with ur points of view concerning poisoning in turny's and or taking it out all togeather but you still haven't justified putting bards out of the survival games... fair is fair right i've work just as hard if not harder on my bard as you on your poisoner. If you want bards out then derrick should somehow make it fair for bards to compete in VS turny's by either taking away from others or giving somthing to the bards to make up for their " WASTED SKILL POINTS " or is it your a "bard nazi" for someone who i've seen argue his case with such care on all details to make a good point, it's hard to belive your going to make such a 1 sided & close minded statement as "BARDS OUT" c-mon get for-real, answer this.... SHOULD THERE BE AN EVENT THAT A BARD HAS A CHANCE TO COMPETE IN ? before you answer think............ we are not talking about some template made up while someones all smoked up or a 12 year old thinks it would be cool to play a tamer/carto/alchy/med CHAR. a bard is a true class just as a warrior or mage. yes bards do rule the survival game thats a given, but if i wanted to compete in a VS turny i wouldn't come with my bard & if i did i wouldn't get mad or think that the rules should be changed because i didn't win. so maybe the real topic should Derrick make an event that unless your a dexxer you wont have a chance at winning

[BMOORE1974]

me and Derrick was thinking alike at the same moment......
maybe i can join the team

[Red]

I doubt this would me implemented and be related to the poisoning skill, I think the valid question is should poisoned weapons be allowed to work in tournaments. This is opinion, but I think the point made about why not let alchemists use pots plays fairly into the argument if the question is whether to limit poisoned blades only to poisoners.

Tournaments are PvP based.
Poisoning is a PvP skill.
Alchemy is a mule/crafter skill.
Apples and oranges..

The poison spell is pretty much pointless in mage vs mage duels. The only use it has is disrupting spells, which is a hit and miss kind of deal.

[BMOORE1974]

RED,

Are smoking dope as you write ? WTF are you talking about ? the survival game is ALL PvM dumb ass, i dont like to be rude but it's ppl like yourself that confues shit for others. Alchy HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT they were talking about poisoning a wep NOT making a poison pot... you really should read atleast a bit before you post and another thing, depending on the other skills one puts along with poisoning::::: it could be used either way mule or a char that VS others......

[Flash Hardstar]

OK BMOORE, even as the 1v1 tourneys are, a dexer has a very slim chance of winning against mages, very slim because of the slight imbalance, but there. No class in the entire game has any % chance greater than the bard having a disconnect at such a conveniant time, of winning in a survival against a bard. I've tried several times, and watched others try. It's a joke, the seirous im balance in this. Everyone agrees with this, and understands it. I think you're just trying to get some forum love on that one. Also, stop saying you worked so hard to make your bard. throw a macro on while sleeping for a week and your gm in it all. poisoning has cost me over 200K, bard 500 gold, thats comparing executive salaries to fast-food cook prep salaries.

I'd also like to note you think bards are useless.. tell that to any new player to the shard making BANK. You could friggin buy all your trophies if you wanted to, and in a very short amount of time.

Derrick, I haven't thought of another tourney idea as it wasn't the basis of my argument, But I will try to formulate one.

[Derrick]

Poisoning is a PvP skill.

Poisoning is a crafting skill in this era, no different than alchemy, or blacksmithy. And poison weapons are effective in PvM as well as PvP.

[BlackFoot]

saying poisoning is a pvp skill is like saying blacksmithing is a pvp skill
you continually say dexxers have no chance against mages and that is rubbish
ive sen countless dexxers win these tournaments

what your saying is that YOU cannot win this tournament
thats your fault cause you have a gimped char

if you let poisoning in i want lightening wands on my dexxer
whats the diff

[platy]

drop poisoning for magery on your dexer, give yourself a little bit higher int..
OR get 50 magery so you can cure the mages poison..
you seem to be acting like the mages poison is uber.. its not (unlike DP)
there are soo many ways to get around a mages poison it's rediculous your acting like this venox.. it's not the tourneys problem: it's your chars templates problem
stop complaining; get smarter.. and for the love of chr!st learn PvP..