Hello, new guy here. This is my first experience with UO and while I am possibly a little late to the party, I guess late is better than never. I've been here a week now and so far I've had a good time.
Well except for the constant PKing I keep running into. In the last few days Reaper/Dead Rise and Olympian have PKed me and totaly wiped me out taking all of my stuff. Considering I can only make about 2k a day its hard to keep any sort of gear at all. It seems like every time someone gives me a decent sword someone follows it up with a nice beat down. While some of the other Pks have only took my money, the last couple of instances have picked me clean, even taking my runes and otherwise worthless crap.
So what am I doing wrong? How do I get away from these guys? How do I avoid them? It seems no matter where I am someone is coming along with a red name and attacking me. Im trying to play a Warrior and I feel like a punching bag. Do warriors suck or will he get better? My StR is 100 and I had decent gear that gave me a AR of 50 but both times I got beat down within 2 hits. On the last instance of PKing I tried recalling away but died before I could get it off.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Oh and if you see me in game say hello. I play a toon named Joshua.
How do I avoid the constant PKing?
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Go to the Lost Lands.
Or, if you are trying to work your combat skills try Ocllo island. Lots of overland spawn.
Without enough Magery to have a fool proof Razor recall macro, you're going to have problems escaping from an attack. Your best bet is to go to quiet areas.
Or, if you are trying to work your combat skills try Ocllo island. Lots of overland spawn.
Without enough Magery to have a fool proof Razor recall macro, you're going to have problems escaping from an attack. Your best bet is to go to quiet areas.
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
How do I get to these lost lands? I've heard others mention them.
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Also, can someone tell me how to set up a macro with razor to Recall away from trouble?
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Why is it that everyone that complains about getting pked always seems to head out to hunt alone?
Most Pks aren't alone...why would you be?
Most Pks aren't alone...why would you be?
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Go to the Hotkeys tab, click on Spells, and assign a hotkey to Recall. You'll still have to manually target the rune once the cursor is up, of course.
I'd also suggest carrying 2 yellow potions and 4 red potions. Set a hotkey to Yellow potions and Red potions. They will save you in some situations as well.
Also, carry 3 pouches and cast Magic Trap on them, and go to the Agents tab of Razor, Use Once agent, and add each of them. Then go to Hotkeys and set a hotkey for Use Once agent. If you get paralyzed by a PK, or a monster, hit your Use Once hotkey to pop a pouch. It will deal 1-3 damage to you, but importantly it will break the paralysis and allow you to run or Recall.
So, you have four hotkeys that are of the utmost importance. I'll add two more, while we're at it. One is for bandage self, and one is to toggle Hotkeys on/off. Toggling hotkeys on/off is important because, let's say you set Use Once to the S key. Well, if you start talking to someone and hit an "s" in there, you'll pop the pouches. But, if you shut off hotkeys first, you're fine.
Oh, one more... set a hotkey for Resynchronize client. Occasionally, you will lose synch, and your client will think you're on one tile and the game will think you're on another tile. This makes weird things happen, like you can walk through trees, but blank spots of grass impede your movement. Hit your Resynchronize client and you will see yourself warp sideways to whatever tile the game thinks you're on. Be sure to only hit this while stopped.
I feel like I have a pretty good setup for these seven crucial functions:
~ = bandage self
1 = Recall
Q = yellow potion
W = red potion
S = Use Once
Z = Resynchronize client
ALT-SHIFT-Z = toggle hotkeys on/off (a tough combo of keys to hit because you don't want to hit it accidentally)
I keep my left thumb over the ALT key as sort of an anchor, so all of these combos are very accessible.
One last thing... if you have 50 AR, it sounds like you're using a shield... or you're using armor that is way better than you should be using at this stage. I would advise not using a shield. It makes drinking potions difficult, and Recalling from a PK is near impossible, because you need to disarm both your weapon and your shield before casting. For a new player, I would advise just using store-bought armor, no shield, and only one-handed weapons, so you can get used to using potions without disarming anything. Also... even store-bought armor can get expensive. BUT... 44% of hits will hit you in the chest. So you can just buy one piece of armor - the chest piece - and it will protect you from about 44% of the hits you take. Something like a chainmail tunic, which covers body and arms, will protect you from over 50% of hits, just with that one item alone.
I'd also suggest carrying 2 yellow potions and 4 red potions. Set a hotkey to Yellow potions and Red potions. They will save you in some situations as well.
Also, carry 3 pouches and cast Magic Trap on them, and go to the Agents tab of Razor, Use Once agent, and add each of them. Then go to Hotkeys and set a hotkey for Use Once agent. If you get paralyzed by a PK, or a monster, hit your Use Once hotkey to pop a pouch. It will deal 1-3 damage to you, but importantly it will break the paralysis and allow you to run or Recall.
So, you have four hotkeys that are of the utmost importance. I'll add two more, while we're at it. One is for bandage self, and one is to toggle Hotkeys on/off. Toggling hotkeys on/off is important because, let's say you set Use Once to the S key. Well, if you start talking to someone and hit an "s" in there, you'll pop the pouches. But, if you shut off hotkeys first, you're fine.
Oh, one more... set a hotkey for Resynchronize client. Occasionally, you will lose synch, and your client will think you're on one tile and the game will think you're on another tile. This makes weird things happen, like you can walk through trees, but blank spots of grass impede your movement. Hit your Resynchronize client and you will see yourself warp sideways to whatever tile the game thinks you're on. Be sure to only hit this while stopped.
I feel like I have a pretty good setup for these seven crucial functions:
~ = bandage self
1 = Recall
Q = yellow potion
W = red potion
S = Use Once
Z = Resynchronize client
ALT-SHIFT-Z = toggle hotkeys on/off (a tough combo of keys to hit because you don't want to hit it accidentally)
I keep my left thumb over the ALT key as sort of an anchor, so all of these combos are very accessible.
One last thing... if you have 50 AR, it sounds like you're using a shield... or you're using armor that is way better than you should be using at this stage. I would advise not using a shield. It makes drinking potions difficult, and Recalling from a PK is near impossible, because you need to disarm both your weapon and your shield before casting. For a new player, I would advise just using store-bought armor, no shield, and only one-handed weapons, so you can get used to using potions without disarming anything. Also... even store-bought armor can get expensive. BUT... 44% of hits will hit you in the chest. So you can just buy one piece of armor - the chest piece - and it will protect you from about 44% of the hits you take. Something like a chainmail tunic, which covers body and arms, will protect you from over 50% of hits, just with that one item alone.
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Hey man, if Reaper and Dead Rise are your biggest problem, then life is good. Within a few days, you will be able to kill them 2v1, if not already. In the meantime, I would set up a recall macro in Razor. The macro would be...
Cast recall
Wait for target
Target rune
Then assign that to a button that you can hit whenever you need to get out. While some PKs will disrupt recalls pretty well, Reaper and Dead Rise will not.
Also, set up a hotkey for the "heal" spell or go into Razor and get the hotkey for mini-heal self. It will cast heal and target yourself instantly. Although it heals less than Greater Heal, it cant be disrupted, so its great to cast while on the run.
Just yesterday, before I knew who he was, Dead Rise asked for 790 gold for a horse from me around Brit bank. In the holiday spirit, I gave it to him, only for him to say "all follow me" and a horse walked onto the screen that was his. He then laughed, mocked me, and walked off. I followed him to the GY where it took all of 2 seconds to LEET PVP him into the dirt. His panic attack as all his lewtz fell to the ground was priceless. The ghouls took care of his horse. That guy is annoying...
Good luck!
-Jimmy
Cast recall
Wait for target
Target rune
Then assign that to a button that you can hit whenever you need to get out. While some PKs will disrupt recalls pretty well, Reaper and Dead Rise will not.
Also, set up a hotkey for the "heal" spell or go into Razor and get the hotkey for mini-heal self. It will cast heal and target yourself instantly. Although it heals less than Greater Heal, it cant be disrupted, so its great to cast while on the run.
Just yesterday, before I knew who he was, Dead Rise asked for 790 gold for a horse from me around Brit bank. In the holiday spirit, I gave it to him, only for him to say "all follow me" and a horse walked onto the screen that was his. He then laughed, mocked me, and walked off. I followed him to the GY where it took all of 2 seconds to LEET PVP him into the dirt. His panic attack as all his lewtz fell to the ground was priceless. The ghouls took care of his horse. That guy is annoying...
Good luck!
-Jimmy
Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Awesome thanks for the replies! as for Razor, don't I have to sign in to UOSA using Razor for it to work? Is there an IP address or something I should point it towards.
Pardon my ignorance.
Pardon my ignorance.
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
For Razor:
uosecondage.com
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Port: 2593
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Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Cool thanks SS.
and yeah I was wearing a shield. I had just bought a heater shield of invul for 1800 beans when Olympian and his Vendor campers got me near Yew. Bastards even took my rune that ported me to the shops.
and yeah I was wearing a shield. I had just bought a heater shield of invul for 1800 beans when Olympian and his Vendor campers got me near Yew. Bastards even took my rune that ported me to the shops.
Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
Yikes.
First off... that's an amazing price for an invuln heater. They don't spawn any more... so there's a fixed number of them on the shard and that's that. But my advice stands... Parrying isn't that great (when you get better at the game, the hotkeys, etc., some good magic armor will pretty much negate melee damage from monsters anyways) and it really hurts your ability to drink potions and cast spells.
As for the runes, I tend to just carry one rune with me when I'm new and not good. Just one rune, to a town bank. Keep the rest of your runes in the bank. And of course, try to make the bank rune be something out-of-the-way so no one will be blocking it.
First off... that's an amazing price for an invuln heater. They don't spawn any more... so there's a fixed number of them on the shard and that's that. But my advice stands... Parrying isn't that great (when you get better at the game, the hotkeys, etc., some good magic armor will pretty much negate melee damage from monsters anyways) and it really hurts your ability to drink potions and cast spells.
As for the runes, I tend to just carry one rune with me when I'm new and not good. Just one rune, to a town bank. Keep the rest of your runes in the bank. And of course, try to make the bank rune be something out-of-the-way so no one will be blocking it.
Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
While I'm new to this shard I've been playing UO since final public beta and every new player has these struggles when getting established on a new shard.
- Building up a nest egg of gold so you can start bank rolling real money.... it's a sharp curve from 'always broke' to 'more money then you need'. It seems like your broke, money is hard to come by, and you'll never get ahead. Then you get one good character established, figure out some things, and you're rolling in gold.
- Avoiding getting PK'd. You equip and head off in to the wide world... just when you are having a bit of fun a red name pops up on screen. You run, you fight, you die... and the cocksmuggler dry loots you. Been there a million times man. Yet here I am; coming back for more!
Here's what I do to get started.
- Easy money; exploit it! There are very easy ways to make money on here. The only problem is that it's really boring. It's not as fun as beating up monsters but on the other hand it's pretty much a sure thing. Your only competition is other people selling out vendors before you do. One way I've used many times is tailoring fancy shirts. It's easy to macro with Razor, the profit margin is reasonable, there are plenty of tailors around to sell at, there's zero risk to life & limb, and the payout is instant. Unlike mining or lumberjacking; you are at risk being outside town, it takes a considerable investment in time, and you have to find a player to buy your bulk resources before you get paid.
- Avoid the PKs. They are a very predictable breed. You'll find them at any place where hunting is easy and/or hunting is profitable. For example... Destard: hunting is easy and profitable... high risk of PKs. Graveyards are easy hunting and usually low skilled players... high risk of PKs. Some have suggested to go to T2A; that's because there are a lot of spawns spread over a significant land mass. The idea here is security through obscurity; it's hard to find you thus hard to PK you. Stay off the roads... stay out of 'hot spots' (like Britain Graveyard)...
- Saftey in Numbers. Get some friends together. Join a guild. If nothing else there are more targets thus your survivability increases =) The idea is to fight back and win but lets be honest here.... someone is still going to die. Talk to your friends and come up with a strategy or plan; hey... maybe it's "Duder holds the gold, Dudette holds the magic items, and if PKs show up the rest of us hold them off long enough for those two to get out".
- Never leave town with anything you can afford to loose. While it is important to plan for success you know as well as anyone that you can, and may, loose everything when you leave town. That should not stop you from preparing with essentials to greatly improve your survivability but it should be noted. Perfect example: You should have left that badass shield in the bank until you were good enough to hold on to it =) Noting personal; but what I mean is that you should have bought the things below first and left the shield in the bank until you can either defend yourself well or escape reliably.
- Plan for success. Despite being openly identified as a 'griefer' Mikel123 has some good advice and said it best in this thread: viewtopic.php?p=133279#p133279
As others have said; you simply must have Magery. Just enough to get away or aid you (cure, heal, etc). If you're playing a warrior/dexxer type character then you really should have GM Healing and Anatomy. Then have macros to heal yourself. This can be a huge boon if you're in a group because healing someone else is MUCH faster than healing yourself so you can keep each-other healed. Hiding can be a good way to avoid death; you have to sacrifice an entire GM skill but Hiding has got me through many years of UO. I don't use it as much as I did in the past but I can't count how many times it's saved my ass from PKs and monsters alike.
There's a subtle art to effective hiding... you can't just hide where you are when you see a red name; they saw your name too and know you're there so they will just find you and kill you.... no you must be more deceptive! Run and find an obscure spot. Exploit teleporters and doors like stairs, entrances/exits, or other teleporters. Notice how a door opens; you can stand where the door swings open when it's closed but they can't move into that tile unless the door is closed... so they come running through the door, it opens into the tile you're hidden, and they just keep running. Have a plan before they show up; where will you run and hide? Close doors behind you! Seeing an open door is a dead giveaway... they know you opened it and aren't far away.
Nothing is a sure thing... all of these defense are easily defeated. The idea is to have an arsenal of defenses to greatly increase your survivability. Knowing how to use which defense in a given situation is huge and comes with experience. Sorry this is rather unorganized... I just kinda jammed it out here with out much thought of readability.
I felt compelled to respond more comprehensibly than other posters because I truly would hate to see someone leave the shard out of frustration. There are ways to address things that frustrate you and don't feel alone; we've all been through this hundreds of times across dozens of shards =) You are totally justified to be a little ticked off but I think you're going about it the right way... seeing the problem, looking for ways to address it, and asking for help.
You'll figure it out and look back on this with a smile =^.^=
- Building up a nest egg of gold so you can start bank rolling real money.... it's a sharp curve from 'always broke' to 'more money then you need'. It seems like your broke, money is hard to come by, and you'll never get ahead. Then you get one good character established, figure out some things, and you're rolling in gold.
- Avoiding getting PK'd. You equip and head off in to the wide world... just when you are having a bit of fun a red name pops up on screen. You run, you fight, you die... and the cocksmuggler dry loots you. Been there a million times man. Yet here I am; coming back for more!
Here's what I do to get started.
- Easy money; exploit it! There are very easy ways to make money on here. The only problem is that it's really boring. It's not as fun as beating up monsters but on the other hand it's pretty much a sure thing. Your only competition is other people selling out vendors before you do. One way I've used many times is tailoring fancy shirts. It's easy to macro with Razor, the profit margin is reasonable, there are plenty of tailors around to sell at, there's zero risk to life & limb, and the payout is instant. Unlike mining or lumberjacking; you are at risk being outside town, it takes a considerable investment in time, and you have to find a player to buy your bulk resources before you get paid.
- Avoid the PKs. They are a very predictable breed. You'll find them at any place where hunting is easy and/or hunting is profitable. For example... Destard: hunting is easy and profitable... high risk of PKs. Graveyards are easy hunting and usually low skilled players... high risk of PKs. Some have suggested to go to T2A; that's because there are a lot of spawns spread over a significant land mass. The idea here is security through obscurity; it's hard to find you thus hard to PK you. Stay off the roads... stay out of 'hot spots' (like Britain Graveyard)...
- Saftey in Numbers. Get some friends together. Join a guild. If nothing else there are more targets thus your survivability increases =) The idea is to fight back and win but lets be honest here.... someone is still going to die. Talk to your friends and come up with a strategy or plan; hey... maybe it's "Duder holds the gold, Dudette holds the magic items, and if PKs show up the rest of us hold them off long enough for those two to get out".
- Never leave town with anything you can afford to loose. While it is important to plan for success you know as well as anyone that you can, and may, loose everything when you leave town. That should not stop you from preparing with essentials to greatly improve your survivability but it should be noted. Perfect example: You should have left that badass shield in the bank until you were good enough to hold on to it =) Noting personal; but what I mean is that you should have bought the things below first and left the shield in the bank until you can either defend yourself well or escape reliably.
- Plan for success. Despite being openly identified as a 'griefer' Mikel123 has some good advice and said it best in this thread: viewtopic.php?p=133279#p133279
You asked "How do I get away from these guys?" When you see the red name pop on screen you hit your recall macro. If they ambush you then you use those things Mikel describes... if they paralyze you then you set off a trapped pouch... if your stamina is low then you drink the greater refresh potion... if they poison you then drink the greater cure...One thing I noticed as I began to explore PvP more was that the better players do not plan on dying. Of course, part of the reason they don't plan on dying is because they're good. But the other part is that they're well-prepared. If you're PvPing with GM weapons and armor, you're a garbage PvPer. Take one of the vanqs out of the chest in your tower and give yourself a chance in the fight. The truly good PvPers and PKs have no intention of dying. They ride nightmares, carry magic reflect items and +10 or +20 vanqs. They carry 50 to 100 stones worth of potions and trapped pouches. And because they're prepared, they don't die very often. They don't hide and go AFK outside of their home and get killed by someone who bumps into them, reveals them, and draws over an ogre or lich to kill them. They don't die due to running out of yellow/orange/red potions. They don't die due to not having enough trapped pouches. They don't die due to mounts running out of stamina, because they're on nightmares.
One of the biggest mistakes I made in this game was not preparing myself when I went out to farm. Whether I was on my tamer, my dexer, or my bard, I never brought potions with me, and I rarely even carried a trapped pouch. All it takes is 1 table/footstool, 2 red potions, 3 yellow potions, and 3 trapped pouches, and a recall macro to DRASTICALLY increase your chances of surviving a random PK attack or a lag spike. But, I never bothered doing that because I was lazy and figured, "why buy potion kegs and pour potions if I'm just going to die anyways". And it was like a self-fulfilling prophecy; I thought I was going to die, so I didn't prepare well, and I died. Here's a list of what every character should carry with them at all times. This is an INVESTMENT, not a cost. When you live through an attack and don't spend 15 minutes ressing and re-equipping, it becomes clear that the extra 10gp potion you carried was well worth it:
3 Total Refresh potions
3 Greater Heal potions
1 Greater Cure potion
1 Table (and accompanying macro)
3 trapped pouches, set to the UseOnce agent (and a hotkey for that)
an Item ID wand
a hotkey to equip/unequip the Item ID wand or a weapon (useful mostly to disrupt yourself mid-spell... if you're casting Blade Spirit and see a red name show up, you're toast. Disrupt yourself by arming and disarming the wand, and you may be able to run or fight a fair fight)
a Recall button/macro
a Mini-Heal button/macro, along with Greater Heal and Cure
2 recall runes - one to a guarded area, one to an unguarded area in case you become gray accidentally
It's not much at all, but it will save you a TON of time if you take the small amount of effort to set this up right.
As others have said; you simply must have Magery. Just enough to get away or aid you (cure, heal, etc). If you're playing a warrior/dexxer type character then you really should have GM Healing and Anatomy. Then have macros to heal yourself. This can be a huge boon if you're in a group because healing someone else is MUCH faster than healing yourself so you can keep each-other healed. Hiding can be a good way to avoid death; you have to sacrifice an entire GM skill but Hiding has got me through many years of UO. I don't use it as much as I did in the past but I can't count how many times it's saved my ass from PKs and monsters alike.
There's a subtle art to effective hiding... you can't just hide where you are when you see a red name; they saw your name too and know you're there so they will just find you and kill you.... no you must be more deceptive! Run and find an obscure spot. Exploit teleporters and doors like stairs, entrances/exits, or other teleporters. Notice how a door opens; you can stand where the door swings open when it's closed but they can't move into that tile unless the door is closed... so they come running through the door, it opens into the tile you're hidden, and they just keep running. Have a plan before they show up; where will you run and hide? Close doors behind you! Seeing an open door is a dead giveaway... they know you opened it and aren't far away.
Nothing is a sure thing... all of these defense are easily defeated. The idea is to have an arsenal of defenses to greatly increase your survivability. Knowing how to use which defense in a given situation is huge and comes with experience. Sorry this is rather unorganized... I just kinda jammed it out here with out much thought of readability.
I felt compelled to respond more comprehensibly than other posters because I truly would hate to see someone leave the shard out of frustration. There are ways to address things that frustrate you and don't feel alone; we've all been through this hundreds of times across dozens of shards =) You are totally justified to be a little ticked off but I think you're going about it the right way... seeing the problem, looking for ways to address it, and asking for help.
You'll figure it out and look back on this with a smile =^.^=
Last edited by morganm on Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
The only "grief" I give is in preventing people from macroing taming at the Hell Hounds. And this is a service, really, so they appreciate GM taming more when they actually reach it.
Beyond that, I have shared literally every trick I have for survival and efficient UOSA play.
Beyond that, I have shared literally every trick I have for survival and efficient UOSA play.
Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
I would recommend always using a mount and GMing Hiding. Starting out I was able to get away from most pks, not all but most, by getting away with my horse and hiding once I was a screen away.
Re: How do I avoid the constant PKing?
I thought it was rather ironic that there were several posts in a thread debating your griefing but you have a rather comprehensive and quite helpful Tips & Tricks thread. Frankly I don't really care either way =) Lets keep this thread focused on helping jlf2n and others in his situation. Hopefully your fan club will respect that and we can contain the great grief debate in that other thread =)Mikel123 wrote:The only "grief" I give is in preventing people from macroing taming at the Hell Hounds. And this is a service, really, so they appreciate GM taming more when they actually reach it.
Beyond that, I have shared literally every trick I have for survival and efficient UOSA play.