Tournament Discrepensies

[BlackFoot]

here

light this one up again
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1460

[BlackFoot]

how about get a few people on test server and try it out for a while
maybe find out pretty quick if its a good idea or not

set poisoning 100

[Red]

My problem is with DEADLY poison. You cannot DEADLY poison with magery. DEADLY poison will ruin the events.

For being such an advocate for the magery skill, you should atleast know that arch cure will cure DP about 100% of the time, right..?

Wtf..?

This thread isn't really about magery. It's about Poisoning skill in Tournaments.
If your favorite class was gimped in tourneys, you'd bring it up too.

[BlackFoot]

one of the main arguements they keep reverting to is 'but a mage can do .... and a dexxer cant!"

which is why magery is brought up over n over

[Red]

A mage can do 60+ dmg in 2-3 seconds.
A dexer can't.
This needs fixed, omg..

srsly?

[BlackFoot]

if the dexxer is inturupting the mage then the dexxer can do 60+ dmg before the mage can do 1

bad arguement

[Red]

How about we just make bandages heal through poison?

I'll stop being sarcastic for you now.

I'm not arguing anything except poisoners should be able to poison in tournaments.

[BlackFoot]

i agree they shoudl eb able to use the poisoning skill during events,
just not be able to use pots

[Faust]

I think it's a valid arguement towards the conept of "what will be added next?" from an earlier poster in this thread. If poisoning were to be added than why not alchemists, tamers, thieves, and so forth. The current ruleset for tournaments are a global ruleset set by a common sense of honor for duels that has applied since the beginning days of UO. This common ruleset is no pots, poisoning, or magic weapons. If this were ever added I would hope it would be a special division for tournaments, because it would completely ruin the current tournament system.

[youre bad]

Not that I read this thread but...
Poisoning in tournaments probably the worst idea in the history of ideas. Why not just make an event where, if some one has a certain skill they automatically win the event?

[Red]

Common sense of honor for duels..
When people congregate to duel out in the world, 99% of the time they are all mages. Mage duels are fun. IMO, mage vs dexer duels are not very fun. If I'm a mage and some macer wants to duel me, I'm sure as hell going to chug the refreshes. If the macer is honorable, he should understand.

Why don't we just have two types of tournaments? One as per current, and one to allow potions and poisoning? My only concern is that these two types of tournaments should be held around the same time frame for equal opportunity.

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Not that I read this thread but...
Poisoning in tournaments probably the worst idea in the history of ideas. Why not just make an event where, if some one has a certain skill they automatically win the event?

Much like survival with a bard?

[BlackFoot]

survival is fun, bard vs bard is quality, seeing how many ancient wyrms you can survive is hilarious, ask anyones who been there

survival is one game that should have a few different rulesets

[youre bad]

Ok you caught me on the not reading part... sure there could just as well be a tourney where poisoning is allowed as long as pots are allowed. Still having not read the thread, I'm not sure whether some one wants poisoned weapons to be allowed, or the skill poisoning. If you allow poisoning during the duel why not allow stealing and hiding as well. Otherwise, since there are no magic weps anyway, its just as easy to carry 15 poisoned weapons and cycle through them with razor, and not allow poisoning.

[Ronk]

Perhaps the solution is to not allow deadly poison but to say poisoning your weapon in the tourney gives unlimited charges on the weapon. Meaning a person with the poisoning skill could chose lesser, normal, or greater poison, put it on his weapon once per fight and each hit has the standard chance of issuing poison.

The lack of deadly is made up for by the lack of a need to continually reapply. Without DP theres no need for cure potions and yet a pvper with poisoning on his template isn't gimped in the fight.

[Flash Hardstar]

Ok I have alot to restate and claim here
1. youre'rebad, there is an event that you win no matter what with a skill; survival. I've adressed that in this thread too, its not even unbalanced, its a battle that was intended for all classes, but ended up being not even uunbalanced, but rediculously unfair as a bard will always win, everyone agrees on this.

2. Arcanus, once again, justify why it is fair for a mage to be able to poison, and a dexer not to. stop insinuating putting magery on a dexer. If you put magery on adexer, he is essetnially not a dexer, hes a mage with the healing skill and without any decent damage through spells (provided he has no eval, which is how it would work out). You mages run around and attack u with katanas all day as well, and our fingers slip while healing. Because of game mechanics, we have a 50/50 shot to hit you at gm skills, provided you have gm wrestling and swords. I consistently wiff 5-6-7 times in a row while fighting a mage, which is around 10 seconds, enough to either dump and kill me, or dump a couple spells and poison me, giving you another 40 seconds to do additional damage. this is a topic you complained about a dexer hitting you in the face, which is a seperate topic to the one at hand. Heaven for bid it wouldn't be easy street for you.

3. I have not adressed deadly poison in my original thread - ever. What types of poisoning can be another topic of discussion. My original post was any mage justifying that it is fair they can poison, and a dexer cant, when poisoning a dexer causes pretty much instant death. If you mages get poisoned, you can heal right through it. Dexers cannot heal for near 40 seconds. I'm sure in 40 seconds, you can reapply poison which is near impossible to disrupt, and as I mentioned earlier, we don't hit you everytime. Even if we could reapply poison 8000times, you can still heal through it, toss a fireball, heal, toss a fireball, hell you dont even need to cure it as long as you keep a dexer poisoned, and heal yourself. Now, if you have a a just case of why a MAGE can poison a dexer, given the implications of what truly happendeds to the dexer, rendering him healless, you tell me, in a just case, why it is fair for us not to poison you, granted you can heal through it, and you don't even have to wait 40 seconds to cast it, and as red said, try arch cure.

4. How dare anyone say a certain class is not fun to play or fight with. This is a personal perferance, and I PREFER to fight on my dexer, not my mage. I have more fun with the dexer. Your opinion that mages are more skilled than dexers or more fun is a matter of personal opinion. This matter of opinion has nothing to do with the topics at hand.

5. It was stated that bandages should not be as effective as cure or heal spells. Well sir, even though this is not the topic at hand, I will adress this. You mages in less than 2 seconds can heal up to 50 damage, and cure in less than 1 second. We have to wait 14 seconds to heal, and 16 seconds to cure. in the matter of time it takes us to heal with one bandage, you can heal up 300 points of damage and 2 cures. Also, when you're poisoned, your heals are not blocked, such as the dexers. who in not one second (maybe 3 with an occasional disrupt) can cure, but 16 seconds, with a chance of failing depening on how many times he is hit.

6. Allowing other classes and drawing a line is just fine with me. if somebody wants to pvp with a tailor crafting leather armor, why not - however I don't think it would be all that effective.


7. The argument is not just that a mage can and a dexer can't, but the implications of what happeneds because a mage can - insta win again any dexer without magery, these are not 1v1 duels but essentially mage duels.


I appreciate everyones feedback and it is all welcome, however I am yet to read a legitamate why it is ok for a mage to poison, givin how it renders a dexer useless, and why it is NOT ok for a dexer to do it, via a poisoned weapon. It will not dominate or take-over anything. For example, my 45 minute fight with Adnois yesterday, I had him dp'ed on his ass with a kryss, and he didnt even bother to cure, and he redlined me, I had to book it to wait out my cure, and then heal. if this were a 1v1 pvp tourney setting, he'd have beaten me. You mages aren't going to be "helpless", the ones who are good have skills and strategies to get through things such as this. The only argument i've heard against my original post was that it would be too hard for mages to kill dexers and it would take over the shard. Although I asked for this not to be a reason in answering the question whichis highlited in this paragraph, I think Adonis Infestus did a great job yesterday proving it illigetiamate.