Ghosting. Multiple accounts. Crutch for bad pks?

[RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR]

The irritating thing is that previous farmers had the help option, and that gave them a pretty big advantage, and now whenever you die in a dungeon and have to walk your ass back you'll be thinking of that the entire time. But tack that on to a list of advantages players had a year ago.

But eh its era accurate.

[MatronDeWinter]

The irritating thing is that previous farmers had the help option, and that gave them a pretty big advantage, and now whenever you die in a dungeon and have to walk your ass back you'll be thinking of that the entire time. But tack that on to a list of advantages players had a year ago.

But eh its era accurate.

I will happily walk my ass back to town, it is era-accurate that way.

[Faust]

The help stuck option is more of a relief for the staff instead of being there for player convenience.

[EVeee]

I really just want one ghost-using dungeon-watching pker to start a thread entitled "Helpless Bards. No scouts or backup. Profile of a bad PvMer?"

Ghost or no ghost, the bad practices of 98% of PvMers will still seal their fates.

[Tronica]

I saw remove the im stuck option all together, it's not era-accurate.

the stuck option is convenient. and saves you from sometimes wasting time doing something that is not fun, or productive, and does not make me want to play the game.

its not a "trammy" option in my opinion. it just makes sense. nobody wants to spend time running from bfe if they die or some shit. thats not fun, and we already have enough shit we have to do in this game that is "not fun" just so we can get to the real fun stuff. the stuck option isn't really being abused is it?
it's giving us all a little of our lifes back.

just thought id put my piece up if this idea is getting considered.

also, i think the change might be ok, but i think the best option was said by someone else. and that was just policing the afk ghosts in the same way that afk recource gathering is policed.

this changes little as far as game functions, but would still help solve the problem.

but props to derrick for this solution even if he changes it later. its refreshing to see the staff "try" new fixes on the words of its players.

You shouldnt use the stuck option in place of running from BFE when you die anyway. It's called the "My character is physically stuck.." option. Nobody is ever physically stuck, and on the rare chance they are and for some reason cannot recall or anything, (which is going to be obscenely rare) then this option makes sense, but it is not a wait-2-minute free ride to whatever town you chose. I would say to AT LEAST, have this option transport people to a holding cell for a short amount of time, at least until their body and items decays and then allow them to teleport to where they need to go.

more chore does not = more fun

[Just Me]

simple solution, ive decided to ghost camp the ghost campers, as i only realy play 1 account anyways i just look for ghosts in dungeons and camp them...so if you see a ghost spamming something incoherant it is me saying DANGER ACE GHOST CAMPING. ive seen 3 people already one wouldnt take a hint and kept asking me if i wanted a res lol he got ganked as soon as he killed 2 lichs about 3 ace with dragons got him. a second adventurer actually ressed me so i warned him just a bit too late tho, he didnt get away in time. and yet 2 others came by and seemed to know something was wrong and left, so i actually saved 2 from the grief thus far.

bottom line if you see a ghost at your favorite camp spot spamming incoherantly you can bet there is another ghost giving info to his mates telling them thier victem has arrived. so pass along the word to your friends if they see a ghost they may only have a moment to get out...look for spook, spooky and carom ingame if you see them RUN! for your life.

this simple service will be provided as long as ghost sitting is allowed to continue. get the word out and the ghost sitting pk days will be over.

dont waste words get active and become the solution, if you dont like pks ghost camping then help me in my endeavors to end the easy pickings, think of it as anti-pk ghost hunting.

[benny-]

hah, love it...whats yer ghosts name anyway?

gw Just Me

[Just Me]

hah, love it...whats yer ghosts name anyway?

gw Just Me

look for spook or spooky if you see either one you can be sure there is a pk ghost nearby

[Just Me]

lol several peeps today in deciet LL room none seemed to care that a ghost was screaming his head off heheh got to watch over and over gate 3 to 6 pk somtimes dragons aometimes not same result....dead character. allmost seems pointless to be useing an account for this but it is funny to watch.

[Masterb1]

An idea for a solution:

Any ghosts who spend more than 5-10 minutes in a dungeon are automatically ejected to the entrance. If you want to take it a bit further: If you log out in a dungeon as a ghost you are ejected on login. (Like houses.)

This works out pretty good since the only reason for a ghost to hang around inside a dungeon that long is if they are doing this, or they are a newbie and completely lost. (In which case it will help them get out.)

I like this idea; I'm relatively new to the shard and I did get a second acct (not sure when) and I did learn of the second UO run program. I NEVER ghosted as I was in an Anti-pk guild so didn't really need this. In any event, I have started to get high enough skill to venture into the dungeons and since i'm new don't have a lot of gold to fund my deaths. Currently I am avoiding obvious hotspots and I think its lame that people resort to "cheat" tactics instead of fighting like men.

I think the above idea might work and at least it would force the player to continue to run back to his spot (which would take time as well).

Just my opinion

-DragonsBlood

[Biohazard]

AN CORP

hell yea its a crutch

[valheru]

Just because "most people didn't do it" does NOT make it non-era accurate.

Most people also didnt have 3 accounts, do you want them limited to 1?

Most people didnt play for free, do you wish to have a monthly payment fee?

Most people were good players, do you wish to have some skills?

If ghosting is a problem, ghost yourself. by placing a ghost in a dungeon, you can view whether or not you are being ghosted. period.

This isn't a discussion over a game mechanic, this is a topic over whether or not someone is good enough to use the game mechanics to their advantage.

I vote for this topic to be locked and deleted.

cry babies

[Hiram]

Just because "most people didn't do it" does NOT make it non-era accurate.

Most people also didnt have 3 accounts, do you want them limited to 1?

Yes, that would be awesome, but since it will never happen, see the answer to the next question.

Most people didnt play for free, do you wish to have a monthly payment fee?

Yes, please. I would gladly pay 10 bucks a month for each account. I think the better solution is a free first account, 10 dollars for each account thereafter, since we would lose many people who play only because it is free, or who can't affor the 10 bucks.

Most people were good players, do you wish to have some skills?

No, I'm bad, but you don't have to be good to have fun!

If ghosting is a problem, ghost yourself. by placing a ghost in a dungeon, you can view whether or not you are being ghosted. period.

If there was some sort of meaningful cost to ghosting (I don't consider tying up one of three accounts meaningful) It would reduce the amount I care about ghosting from "just a little" to zero.

This isn't a discussion over a game mechanic, this is a topic over whether or not someone is good enough to use the game mechanics to their advantage.

Multiple free accounts will always negatively impact era accuracy. Since nothing will likely be done about that, though, we will just have to get over it!

[archaicsubrosa77]

Ghosting is lame, ranting about some trouble you are having combatting other characters or if you were slain by them and stating their location in irc is lame no matter what color you are in the spectrum and can be likened to ghosting.

The OP must have been stating something about this in irc to have this spur conversation to that effect. Yet if he was sorely outnumbered and tamers were involved...well I could see why he would resort to that. Not saying what either did was right, but those who fight dirty should not expect others to fight them fairly thereafter.

I use ghosting again to sometimes spy,information gather, and to explore. Unless I am recently slain (whereas ghosting would be expected) I do not converse information nor do I use information received to party/guildmates/or just anyone on irc to grief, gank, or collaborate actions with alts of mine or others in order to gain advantage.

I want to have fun, I want you to have fun....we need the unexpected events that occur by happenstance or instances where our grand schemes go array for our entertainment purposes. Not to mention the thrill of happy go lucky chaos in blundering through a truly dangerous domain is what makes the game great.

Yet, if others do this to you...don't get mad get even. I am sure there are plenty of bounty hunters or angry citizens that would be more then willing to come to your aide. I encourage you to seek them in-game first however and only use the tactics of the enemy only if truly justified.

[Kraarug]

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Multiple free accounts will always negatively impact era accuracy. Since nothing will likely be done about that, though, we will just have to get over it!

It's NOT multiple accounts that is the issue with ghosting.

It's how they are used.

Focus on how the alt account is being used and you may see some traction this issue but asking for a fix that is far more reaching than the problem and this tread will go on for many many more pages.